N400 denied accused of fraud

[boston_immi 12]

You seem very confused and the information you listed does not make sense. If you are this confused about what happened, you should not have filled an application by yourself and gone to the interview by yourself.

You may not realize it, but your case is complicated. Marrying someone only to avoid the immigration laws is a deportable offense, so is lying to the USCIS. 
The USCIS will not hold harmless errors against you. They know you are human and can make mistakes. But there is obviously something sourrounding the address that was material to your marriage based green card (i.e had USCIS known this in the beginning you would not have got the green card). Maybe you admitted that your address was different to your spouse when you were married, thereby raising suspicion about the bonefide nature of your relationship. 
Did you know that the officer makes notes in the file during your interview? Did you say something to contradict what you had said before? 
In any major grant of benefit, like AOS or citizenship, the USCIS officer can and will go through your file and review your previous applications to make sure everything is in order. I had a previous I-485 that was denied and in front of me the adjudicating officer flipped through my file and asked me about it. I had a reasonable explanation and had documentation, but he didn’t ask to see it.
In short, you said something or provided some information that raised suspicion or contradicted something that was said or written earlier. 
Do you think you need a lawyer now? You are either being very dishonest or are very unaware how things are done at USCIS, but either way you should lawyer up right away because your continued residence in the US now depends on it.

Edited January 31, 2022 by boston_immi

[boston_immi 12]

On 1/26/2022 at 11:02 AM, dwheels76 said:

Well that isn't true. I have known personally of a few who at Citizenship things started to unravel in their stories. N400 they truly do a deeper dive. You are never past suspicion. Sometimes at N-400 is when fraud is found out sadly.

 

This almost same scenario happen to a friend of mine. He thought like you and thought Immigration would not connect the dots and at interview he was grilled why the difference in addresses and why did he divorce shortly after I-751 and changed to divorce waiver.
After all was said and done he was separated when he filed for ROC wife thought she was helping by signing but then it went south and they divorced waiting for ROC approval and he was called into interview and it was changed to divorce waiver all fine. But at N-400 it was found they were separated when I-751 was filed.

 

Seems OP has about the same story. No way anyone is forgetting in 2 years where they lived. I know my address from when I was 10 that was 53 years ago, So OP sorry your story so does not add up at all.

I wouldn’t say it’s a deeper dive per say. When you file I-751 the officer may not have your alien file. But when you file any kind of benefit for interview (AOS, citizenship) the officer will review your entire file. They also make notes of your interview. Typically, for most people, they may only briefly pass through the file and may ask minor questions. But when you are divorced, your underlying qualification for your green card is questioned. That is the why they are taking a closer look. Another similar scenario is if you get green card from company X but never actually work at company X. It doesn’t take a deep dive to spot that and start asking questions. These are classic indicators of fraud.
 

My guess is something in the story started to unravel. Perhaps they didn’t live at the same address or moved out sooner than they previously told USCIS.

 

in any case, divorce + marriage based green card is always complicated and risky, and more risky than I think people realize since you see many people on these forums bragging they don’t need a lawyer. I completely understand with cost but also immigration is very serious with serious consequences so proceed accordingly.

Edited January 31, 2022 by boston_immi

[boston_immi 12]

On 1/28/2022 at 5:07 PM, Rocio0010 said:

Let’s just do the following scenario.

John files I-751 jointly in January 2020.

In May 2021 he files for divorce. Two weeks later, his I-751 is approved.

His divorce is finalized in July 2021. Does he still need to convert to a divorce waiver, even after being approved?

John should at least make an attempt to amend the application, even though the amendment may not reach the officer in time for the adjudication. In any case, the entire onus is on John to prove bona fide marriage. This may be a though situation for John because removing conditions without a waiver is dependent on living in marital union, so even separating before filing for a divorce (which is common) could have raise further questions.

 

This hypothetical person should consult with a lawyer every step of the way because making one mistake could be seen as a misrepresentation and can make things get real bad real quick. This is a very complicated case, more than a lot of people on these forums may realize. And this is a good example of someone that may have issues during the N-400 interview, as this issue will be easy to spot.

Edited January 31, 2022 by boston_immi

[Soloenta 2,218]

On 1/23/2022 at 10:29 PM, soapmctavish said:

Hi everyone. I need help and advice on my case.

 

  Please check your messages. 

[poh 130]

On 1/23/2022 at 8:29 PM, soapmctavish said:

Hi everyone. I need help and advice on my case.Four years ago ,I applied to be a citizen and was denied. According to them, I lied because during the interview I got mixed up with my previous address that I reside. The letter says I lied during the first interview, the removal of conditions and finally at my naturalization to  gain an immigration benefit. I was married to a USC that is why I got my green card. Divorced and filed for the removal of conditions which was approved without interview. I have a lawyer during that time but during my n400 I applied without a lawyer. I did not expect the officer would ask questions regarding my marriage and focused on the civics question. Im always worried they will deport me as a fallout of my n400 denial. Pls any advice will be much appreciated. 

Sounds like a good lawyer you got approved ROC without an interview.  Perhaps he/she can help again

Edited January 31, 2022 by poh

[Rocio0010 5,681]

Just now, poh said:

Sounds like a good lawyer you got ROC without an interview.  Perhaps he/she can help again

I believe his lawyer died.

Edited January 31, 2022 by Rocio0010

[Mr Genuis 91]

A topic like this, make someone like me who is in the N400 filing process very careful and conscious. I have tried to respond , thinking of how I can help you with advise but I have  never hear or read of a case like yours. I have never heard of or thought that UCIS will revisit your i751 during citizenship interview independently. All I have heard of or seen is that citizenship interview went smooth and was approved or state that decision can not be made at the moment and later on was approved.  Now let's go back to The N400 form, that form has so many questions that you don't have to rush over it. So many dates to remember, job history, living history. If you have hear many jobs within one year  it makes it more harder to remember the dates and fill it up correctly. One thin I will never forget is the places I have lived I. While I U.S. even if I forget zip code I will google it. Even if I worked in a job for 3 months I will put it.  Uscis is very smart. They will look at you job location and where you lived to see if it match. Again, dates a lone can not be the only reason for a denial. Something somewhere is not soundi g right and uscis is not clear. Well I am about to file and it makes me nervous now even though I am happily marraid. I just don't like to see unsuccessful stories it make me panic. I really do pray you sort this out brother/ sister. May God help you through.

[pompeilife 15]

23 hours ago, boston_immi said:

I wouldn’t say it’s a deeper dive per say. When you file I-751 the officer may not have your alien file. But when you file any kind of benefit for interview (AOS, citizenship) the officer will review your entire file. They also make notes of your interview. Typically, for most people, they may only briefly pass through the file and may ask minor questions. But when you are divorced, your underlying qualification for your green card is questioned. That is the why they are taking a closer look. Another similar scenario is if you get green card from company X but never actually work at company X. It doesn’t take a deep dive to spot that and start asking questions. These are classic indicators of fraud.
 

My guess is something in the story started to unravel. Perhaps they didn’t live at the same address or moved out sooner than they previously told USCIS.

 

in any case, divorce + marriage based green card is always complicated and risky, and more risky than I think people realize since you see many people on these forums bragging they don’t need a lawyer. I completely understand with cost but also immigration is very serious with serious consequences so proceed accordingly.

My case was divorce waiver and my interview was pretty brief and quick.  I have read many forums about divorce waiver where their interview was brief and got approved pretty fast.

Mine took about a year until I received my card. 

[soapmctavish 3]

Hi all sorry just came back here. I noticed a lot of response to my question thank you soo much. I also noticed that some response were judgementals and I just want to remind you all that I came here for options in my situation. Not to be judged. I also understand that most of us here and immigrants and should help each other.One thing is for sure is I will fight this nightmare and will update you guys. I just talked to my lawyer last week and he said it can really happen if you forgot the exact dates we put on the previous application. I was careless when i filled the forms for n400 ao you guys make sure dont make a mistake and take your time in filling it up.

On 1/30/2022 at 7:04 PM, Mr Genuis said:

A topic like this, make someone like me who is in the N400 filing process very careful and conscious. I have tried to respond , thinking of how I can help you with advise but I have  never hear or read of a case like yours. I have never heard of or thought that UCIS will revisit your i751 during citizenship interview independently. All I have heard of or seen is that citizenship interview went smooth and was approved or state that decision can not be made at the moment and later on was approved.  Now let's go back to The N400 form, that form has so many questions that you don't have to rush over it. So many dates to remember, job history, living history. If you have hear many jobs within one year  it makes it more harder to remember the dates and fill it up correctly. One thin I will never forget is the places I have lived I. While I U.S. even if I forget zip code I will google it. Even if I worked in a job for 3 months I will put it.  Uscis is very smart. They will look at you job location and where you lived to see if it match. Again, dates a lone can not be the only reason for a denial. Something somewhere is not soundi g right and uscis is not clear. Well I am about to file and it makes me nervous now even though I am happily marraid. I just don't like to see unsuccessful stories it make me panic. I really do pray you sort this out brother/ sister. May God help you through.

Thanks hope you will get yours  soon.

[soapmctavish 3]

On 1/30/2022 at 4:57 PM, boston_immi said:

You seem very confused and the information you listed does not make sense. If you are this confused about what happened, you should not have filled an application by yourself and gone to the interview by yourself.

You may not realize it, but your case is complicated. Marrying someone only to avoid the immigration laws is a deportable offense, so is lying to the USCIS. 
The USCIS will not hold harmless errors against you. They know you are human and can make mistakes. But there is obviously something sourrounding the address that was material to your marriage based green card (i.e had USCIS known this in the beginning you would not have got the green card). Maybe you admitted that your address was different to your spouse when you were married, thereby raising suspicion about the bonefide nature of your relationship. 
Did you know that the officer makes notes in the file during your interview? Did you say something to contradict what you had said before? 
In any major grant of benefit, like AOS or citizenship, the USCIS officer can and will go through your file and review your previous applications to make sure everything is in order. I had a previous I-485 that was denied and in front of me the adjudicating officer flipped through my file and asked me about it. I had a reasonable explanation and had documentation, but he didn’t ask to see it.
In short, you said something or provided some information that raised suspicion or contradicted something that was said or written earlier. 
Do you think you need a lawyer now? You are either being very dishonest or are very unaware how things are done at USCIS, but either way you should lawyer up right away because your continued residence in the US now depends on it.

Bro take it easy I already messed up with my application and got denied due to my carelessness . And there is a big difference between dishonest and forgetfull of dates specially when you are not prepared or unaware of how things work here. I know I need to lawyer up now . And i hope that NTA comes now so I can prepare and prove to immigration judge that i did now commit fraud. If my case goes with success , you wil be the first one to know . Geez these people!

[soapmctavish 3]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:02 AM, dwheels76 said:

Well that isn't true. I have known personally of a few who at Citizenship things started to unravel in their stories. N400 they truly do a deeper dive. You are never past suspicion. Sometimes at N-400 is when fraud is found out sadly.

 

This almost same scenario happen to a friend of mine. He thought like you and thought Immigration would not connect the dots and at interview he was grilled why the difference in addresses and why did he divorce shortly after I-751 and changed to divorce waiver.
After all was said and done he was separated when he filed for ROC wife thought she was helping by signing but then it went south and they divorced waiting for ROC approval and he was called into interview and it was changed to divorce waiver all fine. But at N-400 it was found they were separated when I-751 was filed.

 

Seems OP has about the same story. No way anyone is forgetting in 2 years where they lived. I know my address from when I was 10 that was 53 years ago, So OP sorry your story so does not add up at all.

My story is not the same as your friend . Yes  I cant forget address where I lived if you ask me now but if you are asked by a mean looking officer during an n400 interview and you know your future depends on it plus english is not you language , im sure you will also mess up my friend. I was hoping I can get good

advice and option here . All i get is being judged by clearly fellow immigrants like you.

[Rocio0010 5,681]

2 minutes ago, soapmctavish said:

when you are not prepared or unaware of how things work here

There is not much awareness to be had here. They don’t deny people just for not knowing the dates. There is obviously something else.

Maybe a previous visa application where there was some misrepresentation involved.

[Rocio0010 5,681]

1 minute ago, soapmctavish said:

being judged by clearly fellow immigrants like you.

Nobody is judging you. We are just simply interpreting the situation from the point of view of an officer. It doesn’t add up. 
What were you looking for? Compassion? We already told you to get a lawyer.

[soapmctavish 3]

1 minute ago, Rocio0010 said:

There is not much awareness to be had here. They don’t deny people just for not knowing the dates. There is obviously something else.

Maybe a previous visa application where there was some misrepresentation involved.

Well my lawyer told me they can deny you if you messed up with dates on previous applications  . Previous applications were witj a lawyer and there is no misrep. I just messed up with my n400. My lawyer also added that according to the denial letter , it is not fraud its just due to good morals . I will update you guys

[soapmctavish 3]

5 minutes ago, Rocio0010 said:

There is not much awareness to be had here. They don’t deny people just for not knowing the dates. There is obviously something else.

Maybe a previous visa application where there was some misrepresentation involved.

Dude im not looking for compassion specially from people like you im asking for options . I  also want to share my story. I got a lawyer like you said. So stop and be nice.