Why are we rushing to defend Ukraine? [merged threads]

[Boiler 45,445]

The latest Perun has come out, usually worth a look. 

 

As I doubt they will be an official Russian account of what the real thinking was anytime soon all of it is conjectural, there is a reasonable time line of what did happen, planning restricted to high levels, a no notice operation at the operational level, the expectation of it all being over very quickly, maybe the German attack on Norway of Denmark is a better analogy.

 

Just strikes me that this was a Political designed operation without much Military consideration. 

 

And then it all went wrong.

[Dashinka 24,480]

19 hours ago, Boiler said:

The latest Perun has come out, usually worth a look. 

 

As I doubt they will be an official Russian account of what the real thinking was anytime soon all of it is conjectural, there is a reasonable time line of what did happen, planning restricted to high levels, a no notice operation at the operational level, the expectation of it all being over very quickly, maybe the German attack on Norway of Denmark is a better analogy.

 

Just strikes me that this was a Political designed operation without much Military consideration. 

 

And then it all went wrong.

I don't completely disagree.  I think the disastrous US exit from Afghanistan may have played a role in the decision making.  My only point is the analysis/narratives we get from the neo-Cons in the West is not necessarily correct.  Btw, I see the totalitarian Zelenskyy is back in the US begging for money.  I wish the Congress would put a stipulation that there will be no more money until Ukraine releases the USCs they are detaining. 

 

Former lawyer who called for seizure of power in Ukraine placed under 24-hour house arrest

https://news.yahoo.com/former-lawyer-called-seizure-power-230731584.html

 

Ukrainian forces track down, arrest citizens for pro-Russian views online

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/05/ukrainian-forces-track-down-arrest-citizens-for-pro-russian-views-online/

Edited September 18, 2023 by Dashinka

[TBoneTX 45,258]

11 hours ago, Dashinka said:

there will be no more money until Ukraine releases the USCs they are detaining

That stipulation is racist and bigoted, isn't it?

[Dashinka 24,480]

3 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

That stipulation is racist and bigoted, isn't it?

Maybe not, the guy is also a citizen of Chile, so maybe brownish.

[TBoneTX 45,258]

Interesting points from a U.S. Congressman.  Thoughts?

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RedState Interview:  Ohio Freedom Caucus Member Has Questions for Zelensky

 

https://redstate.com/mccabe/2023/09/18/redstate-interview-ohio-freedom-caucus-member-has-questions-for-zelensky-n2163983

[Dashinka 24,480]

I do wonder if this was accidental as I believe this happened when ABlinken was in town.  Btw, the Ukraine SBU is, like in Russia, the former KGB, so not really trustworthy.

 

Ukraine hits back at NYT report it accidentally bombed its own market

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-pushes-back-against-new-york-times-report-it-accidentally-bombed-its-own-market/

[TBoneTX 45,258]

Ukraine Hires Dylan Mulvaney As New Spokesperson

 

[...] Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced the decision at a press conference today, stating, "In these trying times, we need a professional like Dylan to come in and be the face of Ukraine.  He's someone that people unanimously respect after seeing how he masterfully handled his role as a Bud Light brand ambassador.  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/ukraine-hires-dylan-mulvaney-as-spokesperson

[Dashinka 24,480]

OK, so the news is Russia hit Ukraine with multiple missile attacks today.  I certainly do not question that there were missile attacks, but I am curious as to why Russia would do this with Zelenskyy in the US begging for more money and weapons.  Logically, it is more likely the Ukraine government did these attacks as of course we will all believe Russia did it, and Zelenskyy will get more money and weapons.

 

It is interesting to see that Poland is vacillating a bit.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/21/ukraine-war-live-updates-latest-news-on-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html

[TBoneTX 45,258]

Russia's Black Sea Fleet Headquarters Demolished and Commanding Admiral Presumed Dead

 

A volley of Ukrainian cruise missiles demolished the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, in Occupied Crimea.  The strategic communications directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the attack that took place around noon Sevastopol time this way on social media:  [...]

 

https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/09/22/russias-black-sea-fleet-headquarters-demolished-and-commanding-admiral-presumed-dead-n2164184

[Boiler 45,445]

 

[Mike E 11,739]

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

A volley of Ukrainian cruise missiles demolished the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea Fleet

PLA-N would neither confirm nor deny that it thanked the Russian Navy for the free  lesson on what not to do when projecting sea forces against an enemy you are invading. 

[TBoneTX 45,258]

Zelensky Grabs Whatever Office Supplies He Can Get Hands On In Capitol, Saying He Needs It For War

 

WASHINGTON—Following hours of meetings with lawmakers to try to shore up U.S. support for his country, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reportedly grabbed whatever office supplies he could get his hands on in the Capitol Thursday, saying he needed them for war.  [...]

 

https://www.theonion.com/zelensky-grabs-whatever-office-supplies-he-can-get-hand-1850861718

[Dashinka 24,480]

On 9/23/2023 at 3:26 AM, Mike E said:

PLA-N would neither confirm nor deny that it thanked the Russian Navy for the free  lesson on what not to do when projecting sea forces against an enemy you are invading. 

Strategies and tactics tend to go out the window in a mafia war.

[Dashinka 24,480]

It is sure looking this way.  Btw, when did the Democrats become such war hawks.  The US does not have a great track record in these types of conflicts, one tie, and 3 losses, maybe it should take a lesson learned from the tie.

 

Ukraine is officially America's new forever war. President Biden, how does this end?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ukraine-officially-americas-forever-war-president-biden-end

[Dashinka 24,480]

An example of an extreme Leftist/Democrat war hawk, Paul Krugman.

 

Why MAGA Wants to Betray Ukraine

 

https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/02/why-maga-wants-to-betray-ukraine/