Why are we rushing to defend Ukraine? [merged threads]

[Boiler 45,445]

Perun to the rescue

 

 

[Boiler 45,445]

If this does not scare Putin what will?

 

[Dashinka 24,479]

So the totalitarian Zelensky is commenting on July 4th.  Is this a signal he is coming for more money, or is he going to ask for manpower soon?

 

 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/4079131-zelensky-to-us-on-independence-day-ukraine-grateful-for-support/

[TBoneTX 45,251]

Awkward:  Russian And Ukrainian Soldiers Arrive At Same Nuclear Power Plant To Blow It Up And Blame On Each Other

 

"Ohhhh, um, hi," said Russian Igor Popov to the explosive-laden Ukrainian soldier, also named Igor Popov.  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/awkward-russian-and-ukrainian-soldiers-arrive-at-the-same-nuclear-power-plant-to-blow-it-up-and-blame-on-each-other

[Pooky 3,780]

And Prigozhin is in St Petersburg, NOT in Belarus 🤔

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna92806

[TBoneTX 45,251]

Uniparty Update: Phoenix City Council set to 'donate' hundreds of firearms to Ukraine's national police force

 

In a vexatious display of Uniparty politics, Republicans and Democrats on Phoenix's current city council came together and unanimously voted to "donate" a vague number of firearms to Ukraine's national police force.  [...]

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/07/uniparty_update_phoenix_city_council_set_to_donate_hundreds_of_firearms_to_ukraines_national_police_force.html

[Dashinka 24,479]

So Zelenskyy is looking to expand things I guess.

 

NATO ‘must confirm’ Ukraine is ‘de facto’ a member: Zelenskyy

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/10/nato-must-confirm-ukraine-is-de-facto-a-member-zelenskyy

[Pooky 3,780]

7 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So Zelenskyy is looking to expand things I guess.

 

NATO ‘must confirm’ Ukraine is ‘de facto’ a member: Zelenskyy

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/10/nato-must-confirm-ukraine-is-de-facto-a-member-zelenskyy

He can demand all he wants. NATO will fast track Ukraine’s membership only once the conflict in Ukraine is over. NATO’s primary purpose is intended as a deterrent. Inducting a new member embroiled in an active conflict is tantamount to declaring war on their opposition and that is something NATO is not about to do.

[Neonred 3,562]

On 7/6/2023 at 11:59 AM, Pooky said:

And Prigozhin is in St Petersburg, NOT in Belarus 🤔

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna92806

Looked at the article and saw the picture....

Got a good chuckle when I saw the case of Tulammo.  That's the worst garbage ammo ever.

[Dashinka 24,479]

2 hours ago, Pooky said:

He can demand all he wants. NATO will fast track Ukraine’s membership only once the conflict in Ukraine is over. NATO’s primary purpose is intended as a deterrent. Inducting a new member embroiled in an active conflict is tantamount to declaring war on their opposition and that is something NATO is not about to do.

Absolutely, and I would think Zelenskyy understands that, so what game is he playing?  Is he trying to escalate?  Is the counter-offensive not going well (not a lot of news coming out on this)?  Do they need manpower?

[millefleur 5,046]

8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I would think Zelenskyy understands that, so what game is he playing? 

He just keeps playing his role and reading his lines like the actor he is. He's doing all he can in that sense.

 

8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Do they need manpower?

They need air cover but it's basically impossible for them to get it is my understanding. They lack equipment and trained men. F-16's are not going to give them the air dominance they need, will just help a bit. Obviously it's better than nothing but will it be enough? Probably not. The mine clearing ops are extremely difficult under enemy fire.

 

8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Is the counter-offensive not going well

It's definitely not going as well as they would like. I don't think it's a complete failure in that they have not given up, but they have not gone beyond the 1st defensive line (so I last heard.)

[Pooky 3,780]

53 minutes ago, millefleur said:

They need air cover but it's basically impossible for them to get it is my understanding. They lack equipment and trained men. F-16's are not going to give them the air dominance they need, will just help a bit.

The problem isn’t in the aerial capabilities of the F-16. They will easily outperform the junk the Ukrainian Air Forces are currently using.

 

The problem is the airfields. Soviet/Russian aircraft are designed to be robust, because the airfields are usually a little (lot) on the rough side. You do not want to be landing a Viper on anything other than a smooth surface. The landing gear will not cope with that kind of abuse.

 

A better bet would be the F-18 Hornet, which has way sturdier landing gear for carrier landings/naval aviator abuse. However, their availability is limited and, despite what Top Gun Maverick would have you believe, they’re not as good in air-to-air as the F-16.

 

[millefleur 5,046]

14 minutes ago, Pooky said:

The problem isn’t in the aerial capabilities of the F-16. They will easily outperform the junk the Ukrainian Air Forces are currently using.

 

Right but will they get enough to take back all of Crimea and their other lost territory? 

[TBoneTX 45,251]

Executed Russian sub commander may have been tracked on a fitness app

 

As with any news coming out of Russia, there’s almost no telling what is true and what is not.  What we do know for certain is that a former Naval officer and sub commander who Ukraine had accused of war crimes was killed this week while running through a park in Russia.  [...]

 

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2023/07/11/executed-russian-sub-commander-may-have-been-tracked-on-a-fitness-app-n564007

[Ban Hammer 13,327]

someone will have the idea to give them our a-10's.............