Why are we rushing to defend Ukraine? [merged threads]

[Dashinka 24,448]

23 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Well yeah … Serbia was a country inside Yugoslavia.  Clinton was so clueless 

And he was dealing with other things as well.

[Mike E 11,739]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1498760287792635908

🌻@AGHamilton29As I’ve said before: Harris’ answers to substantive questions always sound like she’s doing a book report on a book she hasn’t read.Quote TweetGreg Price@greg_price11 · 9hOH… MY… GOD

Q: “What’s going on in Ukraine?”

Kamala: “Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine so basically that’s wrong

[TBoneTX 45,159]

Kommie Harris really outdid herself.  Not even Saturday Night Live could do as well.

[Dashinka 24,448]

No excuses for Putin, but for some reason when the US gets involved things tend to get messed up.

 

US bungling made Putin's war with Ukraine 'inevitable' | Opinion

 

As Germany prepared to reunify in 1990, the George H.W. Bush administration privately promised to Soviet leaders that NATO would not move “not one inch eastward” of Germany. But Bush 41 failed to formalize these understandings, leaving the door open to future misunderstanding.

 

The easiest way to ensure Ukrainian independence in the absence of an agreement with Russia would have been to allow them to retain the nuclear weapons that they inherited from the Soviet Union. The modern state of Ukraine was born with the third-largest nuclear arsenal in the world. It is impossible to imagine Putin attacking Kyiv if Ukraine had retained and developed this capacity. But the Clinton Administration chose to make them vulnerable to an inevitably resurgent Russia by enticing Ukraine to surrender its arsenal.

 

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2022/03/03/opinion-american-war-ukraine-russia-putin/9356828002/

 

[Mike E 11,739]

Elections have long term consequences.  

[Dashinka 24,448]

Just now, Mike E said:

Elections have long term consequences.  

The funny thing is that with the political/governmental corruption in Ukraine, they more than likely would never make the grade to become part of NATO or the EU.

[Mike E 11,739]

8 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

The funny thing is that with the political/governmental corruption in Ukraine, they more than likely would never make the grade to become part of NATO or the EU.

Indeed.  And should be child’s play for a Putin, or Utah all his experience, to peacefully manipulate Ukraine to keep it that way. 
 

Vladimir lost his way. 

[Boiler 45,412]

The military expert sic on NPR wants a no fly zone, a secure corridor between Poland and Ukraine and the US to supply A 10s?

 

Apart from the general stupidity what would be the point of supplying any aircraft if they could not fly?

[millefleur 5,046]

20 minutes ago, Boiler said:

The military expert sic on NPR wants a no fly zone, a secure corridor between Poland and Ukraine and the US to supply A 10s?

I don't know where they find these people. What this retired US Colonel says makes way more sense to me, this is already a couple days old but the general points still stand.

 

 

[Boiler 45,412]

Seems he was an Ambassador to NATO?

[Boiler 45,412]

The thing I object to is not necessarily that they have these people on but they never ask them very basic questions 

[Mike E 11,739]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Seems he was an Ambassador to NATO?

Sounds like he was an ambassador from the Warsaw pact to nato. 

[Mike E 11,739]

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/04/nato-involvement-in-ukraine-could-spark-nuclear-genocide-heres-how-it-could-happen/
 

“Here is where things take a turn for the worst. A Russian ballistic missile’s guidance system fails and crash-lands into NATO member Poland, killing 34 civilians as it tragically lands into a populated village along the Polish-Ukraine border. While the missile was not directed at Poland intentionally, pictures on social media show children crying for their mothers and bodies left unrecognizable, and demands for justice and revenge mount.”

[Boiler 45,412]

Plenty of precedents, WW2 US bombing of Switzerland and Germans bombed Ireland, I seem to remember Swiss shot down quite a few US bombers.

[Mike E 11,739]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Plenty of precedents, WW2 US bombing of Switzerland and Germans bombed Ireland, I seem to remember Swiss shot down quite a few US bombers.

At the time none of those 4 countries had nuclear weapons.