Why are we rushing to defend Ukraine? [merged threads]

[iwannaplay54 985]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

Let us be real, I have no sympathy for anybody who had some weird idea they could rely on Biden especially after Afghanistan.

Biden didnt sign any treaties with the Taliban Boiler.  If you supported that “historic agreement” shouldn’t you own it?

[millefleur 5,047]

Apropos of the Taliban... 🤣

Taliban Call for Russia-Ukraine Peace, Say They Fear for Civilians

Afghanistan Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Abdul Qahar Balkhi issued a statement in English on Twitter on Friday morning urging a resolution to the crisis through "dialogue and peaceful means."

 

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is closely monitoring the situation in Ukraine and expresses concern about real possibility of civilian casualties," the statement said.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-call-for-russia-ukraine-peace-say-they-fear-for-civilians/ar-AAUi3UO

[Boiler 45,715]

24 minutes ago, iwannaplay54 said:

Biden didnt sign any treaties with the Taliban Boiler.  If you supported that “historic agreement” shouldn’t you own it?

I did?

[JoBri 548]

My wife in the Air Force is ready for things to get busy... Will see what happens. The issues in Ukraine, I guess, are more significant when only Poland stands between us and them

Edited February 26, 2022 by JoBri

[JoBri 548]

Nuts Vladimir Putin

Edited February 26, 2022 by JoBri

[iwannaplay54 985]

51 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I did?

IF

 

Did you?  LOL

Edited February 26, 2022 by iwannaplay54

[millefleur 5,047]

Latest baffling move by Zelensky: he calls on Turkey (a NATO country) to close the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits. Then Zelensky tweets and claims Turkey agreed despite officials in Turkey saying they never did??? Turkey is still officially denying that they agreed to close the straights but everyone on Twitter and social media is celebrating and praising Turkey for it's support for Ukraine.

 

Quote

 

Turkey Has Not Notified Russia of Straits Closure

Russia has received no official notification from Turkey on the closure of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits to Russian warships, the Interfax news agency quoted the Russian embassy in Turkey as saying.

 

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said earlier that Turkey had made such a move.

 

https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3498706/turkey-has-not-notified-russia-straits-closure

 

You know, when we all thought fake news was bad back during the Trump era and before, we certainly didn't prepare for European wartime era fake news.

Edited February 26, 2022 by millefleur

[iwannaplay54 985]

Just dropping by

 

LOOOOL

[Mike E 11,741]

8 hours ago, Neonred said:

We noted that the one group of fighters that even the Russian soldiers fear, Chechnyan fighters, have over 12,000 volunteers wanting to go to Kyiv.  If that happens there will be terrible and unspeakable bloodshed.

https://www.kiratas.com/chechen-general-magomed-tushayev-the-presidents-right-hand-man-killed-near-kiev/
 

“The Armed Forces of Ukraine have assured that shortly after 8:30 p.m. they have “neutralized” the Chechen general, Magomed Tushayev.Apparently, he could have been killed near Kiev, in the area known as Hostome. ”

[millefleur 5,047]

Most objective and comprehensive video explaining the "why" I've seen yet, if anyone is interested.

 

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,568]

11 hours ago, millefleur said:

all we can send are thoughts and prayers

Before anything more, need to send Kommie Harris over there to determine "root causes."

11 hours ago, millefleur said:

Why did we talk a big talk only to show that it was all for nothing?

Because the clowns pulling Bidementia's strings are uncommonly incompetent.

11 hours ago, millefleur said:

We haven't even set up a refugee program

Totally reserved for anyone who can cross our southern border.

11 hours ago, millefleur said:

Ukraine will be completely wrecked and destroyed

So Bidementia can brag (SOTO speech) that his domestic policies work overseas, too!   

[nykolos 711]

10 hours ago, millefleur said:

Apropos of the Taliban... 🤣

Taliban Call for Russia-Ukraine Peace, Say They Fear for Civilians

Afghanistan Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Abdul Qahar Balkhi issued a statement in English on Twitter on Friday morning urging a resolution to the crisis through "dialogue and peaceful means."

 

"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is closely monitoring the situation in Ukraine and expresses concern about real possibility of civilian casualties," the statement said.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-call-for-russia-ukraine-peace-say-they-fear-for-civilians/ar-AAUi3UO

The Taliban calling for peace is like an elephant calling for a ban on peanuts.

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,568]

Very interesting.

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/02/26/ukraine-responds-with-an-attack-in-russia-and-more-weapons-are-on-way-to-ukraine-n528540

[Mike E 11,741]

16 hours ago, millefleur said:

We haven't even set up a refugee program

If “we” means the USA, then nor should we.  Europe has the resources to accommodate any Ukrainian refugees from the invasion.  
 

 Likewise,  Russia’s allies, China,  India, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, have the resources to accommodate any Russian refugees from Ukraine’s counter attack. 
 

16 hours ago, millefleur said:

The Ukrainians were lead on, it seems America won't unleash actual sanctions that hurt

Agreed.  Sanctions that degrade or interrupt energy trade between the EU and Russia should be on the table and the USA should be ramping up fossil fuel production to let the EU buy from the USA. 

16 hours ago, millefleur said:What was the plan the whole time, to just let Ukrainians die fighting an unwinnable war where they're left alone with no one to fight with them?

It isn’t clear that it is unwinnable   When the USA invaded Iraq, it competed the task in 42 days and lost under 200.  Russia has lost at least 10 times as many by day 3, and apparently is now dealing with a counter attack.

 

It is perhaps comparable to the 1812 invasion of Canada, another unwinnable war for invaded party, 

 

16 hours ago, millefleur said:

Even in the "best case scenario" Ukraine will be completely wrecked and destroyed.

It’s sad of course but complete destruction has been the European way for centuries.  My observation is that Europe is quick to rebuild.  
 

It’s up to Europe to stand up to this.  If it doesn’t, and if Russian tanks roll to the borders of France (presumably no further unless Macron assures Putin that he won’t launch nukes at Russia) that’s Europe’s problem.  

[millefleur 5,047]

8 hours ago, Mike E said:

It’s up to Europe to stand up to this.  If it doesn’t, and if Russian tanks roll to the borders of France (presumably no further unless Macron assures Putin that he won’t launch nukes at Russia) that’s Europe’s problem.  

If it's up to Europe to stand up to this, then why are we still arming Ukraine? Also, how can Europe stand up to Russia? I'm really curious what that solution is. How would Russia roll tanks past a bunch of NATO countries exactly, are they just going to abandon Article 5? I'm not really following this train of thought. You can't have NATO exist and then act like a war breaking out in Europe won't immediately involve NATO, which indirectly or directly will automatically rope the US into the fold. Either disband NATO and the US says Europe is no longer its problem or have NATO exist and Europe is the US's problem.

 

Russian tanks will not roll to France, you're quite mistaken as to the cause of the invasion and what Russia's scope of interest is. I recommend watching the video I posted above which makes everything crystal clear. There's no secret plan that isn't known, it's all been laid out on the table very clearly now. In fact, my point was the US supposedly had pitch perfect intelligence about this the entire time. If that was the case, what exactly was our plan? Because it seems to me like the plan is "let's continue arming Ukraine but not get directly involved because Russia has nukes." So, Ukraine being backed with no nukes at all (in fact, NATO and the US have specifically said multiple times they won't actually defend it) goes against a nuclear power, but not just a nuclear power, the country with the largest arsenal and most powerful nukes on Earth. This is a plan the US and Europe considers to be sound? It's madness.

 

Anyone who thinks nukes aren't real or won't be dropped are living in dreamland. The world has never been closer to a nuclear war than right now and all the US can do is send weapons??? Where is the diplomacy and cool headed realpolitik of the Cold War?  I'm absolutely astonished how people seem to have forgotten the entire legacy of the Cold War (which saved the world multiple times from blowing up thanks to diplomacy) and we're just jumping into arming countries to fight against nuclear powers and we're sitting back and not even remotely attempting diplomacy. This is a global embarrassment and Europe is doing nothing at all to help either, despite that it's happening right in their backyard. Germany, who appeared to be the sane one in the room before, is now also arming Ukraine.

 

8 hours ago, Mike E said:

My observation is that Europe is quick to rebuild.  

My observation is that after wars in Europe, borders change. If nuclear war happens, then there won't be a Europe to rebuild.

Edited February 27, 2022 by millefleur