Why are we rushing to defend Ukraine? [merged threads]

[Dashinka 24,635]

I hadn't heard before that Zelenskyy was threatened by the Ukraine power base when he took office. 

 

Why Zelensky won't be able to negotiate peace himself

 

 

Zelensky defeated Petro Poroshenko in a landslide victory in 2019 largely because of a promise to implement the Minsk Agreement and start to move toward peace with Russia. But he was pushed off that platform by a backlash in Ukraine and lack of support in the political West.

 

Ultranationalist leaders defied Zelensky and warned that a ceasefire and fulfillment of his campaign promises would lead to protests and riots. More seriously, they threatened his life. Dmytro Yarosh, the founder of the fRight Sector paramilitary organization threatened that, if Zelensky fulfilled his campaign promise, “he will lose his life. He will hang on some tree on Khreshchatyk boulevard if he betrays Ukraine and those people who died in the Revolution and the War. And it is very important that he understand this."

 

During a presentation announcing Zelensky’s creation of a National Platform for Reconciliation and Unity on March 12, 2020, Zelensky advisor Sergei Sivokho was thrown to the ground by a large gang from the Azov battalion.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/how-will-the-war-in-ukraine-end/

[TBoneTX 45,598]

Authorities Warn Of Con Artist Scamming Dementia Patients Out Of Billions Of Dollars

 

U.S. — Authorities are warning that a con artist is currently on the loose and scamming elderly dementia patients out of billions of dollars.  They are urging anyone who sees the suspect to call law enforcement immediately.

"He's very short, dresses in all green for some reason, and has an accent like some kind of Eastern European henchman from a Guy Ritchie movie," said a spokesperson for law enforcement.  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/authorities-warn-of-con-artist-scamming-dementia-patients-out-of-billions-of-dollars

[Dashinka 24,635]

Fairly good analysis.  Too bad there are a bunch of hard-headed folks on both sides.

 

Yes, we can reconcile absurd Russian & Ukrainian peace plans

 

 

Even de facto acceptance of Russian rule over five Ukrainian provinces would be a most bitter pill for Ukraine and the West to swallow. However, this would still be far less than the maximalist goals of Russian hardliners, whether in terms of the subjugation of the whole of Ukraine, or annexation of all the Russian-speaking areas of the country, including Ukraine’s second city, Kharkiv, and the whole of the Black Sea coast.

 

If in the months and years to come, the Ukrainian army can manage to hold roughly its existing lines, then the eventual line of division between Ukraine and Russia (whether drawn in a formal peace settlement or accepted as part of an armistice) will also run along these lines. If however Ukraine is defeated and suffers much greater loss of territory, then future generations of Ukrainians may regret that Kyiv did not treat Putin’s proposal at least as a starting point for negotiation and bargaining.

 

For it should be remembered that while the Russian terms of March 2022 would also have been a bitter pill for Ukraine to swallow at the time, their acceptance would have saved Ukraine much territory that it now seems certain permanently to lose, much damage that may never be restored, and many human beings who can never be brought back to life.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-peace/

Edited June 21 by Dashinka

[Dashinka 24,635]

It is interesting how easy it is for Western leaders to sacrifice Ukrainian men, and for that matter Russian men.  Has Ukraine become the military industrial complex's laboratory?

 

Did the West deliberately prolong the Ukraine war?

 

 

The interview corroborates claims first reported in May 2022 by the broadly Western-alignedUkrainska Pravda outlet — which reported that Boris Johnson told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky the West wouldn’t support any peace deal regardless of what Ukraine wanted, and they preferred to keep taking the fight to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was less powerful than they had thought.

 

Johnson had himself confirmed, albeit not in so many words, in a phone call to French President Emmanuel Macron that he had urged Zelensky against peace.

 

All of it lends further weight to multiple accounts over the course of the past 21 months that have claimed Ukraine and Russia were on the brink of peace, but were blocked by NATO states eager for a prolonged war that would weaken Russia and possibly destabilize it.

 

Former U.S. national security official Fiona Hill reported the two sides had reached a tentative peace deal the same month of Johnson’s surprise visit to Kyiv, while former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, and several Turkish officials — all of whom were involved at various times in the talks — have said that NATO officials stopped or undermined negotiations.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-russia-talks/

[TBoneTX 45,598]

Wow!

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Ukraine Invades Russia and Seizes Territory

 

The official word so far is that no one really saw this coming, not Russia and not even the United States.  Ukraine's decision to invade Russia is looking like a high-risk gamble but so far it appears to be paying off.  [...]

 

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2024/08/08/ukraine-invades-russia-and-quickly-seizes-territory-n3792898