Why are we rushing to defend Ukraine? [merged threads]

[TBoneTX 45,654]

President Zelensky Insulted By Biden's Offer Of Only $33 Billion In Weapons When He Gave The Taliban $86 Billion

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/ukraine-insulted-by-bidens-offer-of-33-billion-in-weapons-when-he-gave-the-taliban-86-billion

[Dashinka 24,649]

On 5/1/2022 at 1:45 AM, TBoneTX said:

President Zelensky Insulted By Biden's Offer Of Only $33 Billion In Weapons When He Gave The Taliban $86 Billion

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/ukraine-insulted-by-bidens-offer-of-33-billion-in-weapons-when-he-gave-the-taliban-86-billion

It is true, but it may also include money that has to be kicked back to the "Big Guy".

[Mike E 11,741]

51 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

It is true, but it may also include money that has to be kicked back to the "Big Guy".

The second billionaire president. 
 

I think era of presidents leaving office with net worths under a billion dollars is over. There is too much money flowing.  Bill Clinton and Obama have to be wondering why they have to suffer with just a $100M when they worked harder.  

[millefleur 5,047]

On 5/1/2022 at 12:45 AM, TBoneTX said:

President Zelensky Insulted By Biden's Offer Of Only $33 Billion In Weapons When He Gave The Taliban $86 Billion

I thought this was a real headline when I first saw it, lol.

[seekingthetruth 1,248]

Tucker's take on the reasons the Democrats are pushing the war.  I hope he is wrong on some of this, but in any case, very disturbing.

 

I had not been following the news closely for the last week or so.  I didn't know those buffoons went over there.  They have the authority?  Adam Schiff makes my blood boil.  He has no business near any foreign policy and I hope to see him jailed ASAP.

 

 

[Fuerteventura 29]

12 hours ago, seekingthetruth said:

Tucker's take on the reasons the Democrats are pushing the war.  I hope he is wrong on some of this, but in any case, very disturbing.

 

I had not been following the news closely for the last week or so.  I didn't know those buffoons went over there.  They have the authority?  Adam Schiff makes my blood boil.  He has no business near any foreign policy and I hope to see him jailed ASAP.

 

 

Why would any one trust one word out of this traitors mouth?

[seekingthetruth 1,248]

53 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

Why would any one trust one word out of this traitors mouth?

Post a list of the traitors, politicians and "news" people you trust, and we can compare.  The discussion would deserve a new topic.

[Mike E 11,741]

13 hours ago, seekingthetruth said:

 Adam Schiff makes my blood boil.  He has no business near any foreign policy and I hope to see him jailed ASAP.

 

 

1 hour ago, Fuerteventura said:

Why would any one trust one word out of this traitors mouth?

Agreed. Schiff is a lying traitor 

[Fuerteventura 29]

9 hours ago, Mike E said:

 

Agreed. Schiff is a lying traitor 

Very funny, Carlson is the Putinista, against the interests of hos own country:

 

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March 3, as Russian military forces bombed Ukrainian cities as part of Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion of his neighbor, the Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.

“It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and] the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin, personally,” advises the 12-page document written in Russian. It sums up Carlson’s position: “Russia is only protecting its interests and security.” The memo includes a quote from Carlson: “And how would the US behave if such a situation developed in neighboring Mexico or Canada?”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/exclusive-kremlin-putin-russia-ukraine-war-memo-tucker-carlson-fox/

 

[Dashinka 24,649]

1 hour ago, Fuerteventura said:

Very funny, Carlson is the Putinista, against the interests of hos own country:

 

On 

March 3, as Russian military forces bombed Ukrainian cities as part of Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion of his neighbor, the Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.

“It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and] the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin, personally,” advises the 12-page document written in Russian. It sums up Carlson’s position: “Russia is only protecting its interests and security.” The memo includes a quote from Carlson: “And how would the US behave if such a situation developed in neighboring Mexico or Canada?”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/exclusive-kremlin-putin-russia-ukraine-war-memo-tucker-carlson-fox/

 

Big difference, Schiff is a powerful lawmaker in DC, Carlson is a television host.  I tend to think a traitorous elected lawmaker is worse.

[Mike E 11,741]

It’s Vietnam all over again. 
 

This is a civil war.  Egged on by the CIA and State department. It is costing us at the rate of $100B a year. Eventually it will cost us American lives if nothing changes. 
 

I’m rooting for Ukraine but I fail to see why my tax dollars should be spent to ensure Germany gets access to cheap Russian petroleum when there is plenty of it in America and Canada.

 

A cheaper way to counter Russian / CCP aggression would be to declare Taiwan to be an sovereign nation, and recognize resistance groups opposing Russia / CCP sponsored totalitarianism in  Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Burma, Kazakhstan, etc as legitimate governments of those countries.
 

Then private citizens in the West could freely arm freedom fighters just as they arm the Ukrainian armed forces.

 

This would bleed Russia / CCP. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Mike E

[Fuerteventura 29]

3 hours ago, Mike E said:

It’s Vietnam all over again. 
 

This is a civil war.  Egged on by the CIA and State department. It is costing us at the rate of $100B a year. Eventually it will cost us American lives if nothing changes. 
 

I’m rooting for Ukraine but I fail to see why my tax dollars should be spent to ensure Germany gets access to cheap Russian petroleum when there is plenty of it in America and Canada.

 

A cheaper way to counter Russian / CCP aggression would be to declare Taiwan to be an sovereign nation, and recognize resistance groups opposing Russia / CCP sponsored totalitarianism in  Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Burma, Kazakhstan, etc as legitimate governments of those countries.
 

Then private citizens in the West could freely arm freedom fighters just as they arm the Ukrainian armed forces.

 

This would bleed Russia / CCP. 

Do you think the Ukraine is holding on because of private citizens sending arms? I think the tech NATO provides is the real key. 

[Mike E 11,741]

15 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

Do you think the Ukraine is holding on because of private citizens sending arms? I think the tech NATO provides is the real key. 

Ukraine is holding on because NATO provides tech to Ukraine while NATO sans Canada, UK, USA provides cash to Russia for Russian petroleum to fund its aggression against Ukraine.

 

Stop buying Russian petroleum, let private citizens arm freedom fighters in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Burma, Kazakhstan, etc. and the Russia / CCP aggression in Ukraine, Burma, and Kazakhstan will collapse in days. In the ensuing months, we will see flow of arms to Taiwan, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet from private citizens overwhelm CCP.  

[Fuerteventura 29]

2 hours ago, Mike E said:

Ukraine is holding on because NATO provides tech to Ukraine while NATO sans Canada, UK, USA provides cash to Russia for Russian petroleum to fund its aggression against Ukraine.

 

Stop buying Russian petroleum, let private citizens arm freedom fighters in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Burma, Kazakhstan, etc. and the Russia / CCP aggression in Ukraine, Burma, and Kazakhstan will collapse in days. In the ensuing months, we will see flow of arms to Taiwan, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet from private citizens overwhelm CCP.  

1. A barrel of oil is a barrel of oil, only a 100% blockade is going to keep Russian oil put of the marketplace. China will gladly buy it push comes to shove. 

 

2. I doubt seriously that an uncoordinated effort of "freedom fighters" is going to make the dent you are theorizing.  

[Mike E 11,741]

3 hours ago, Fuerteventura said:

1. A barrel of oil is a barrel of oil, only a 100% blockade is going to keep Russian oil put of the marketplace. China will gladly buy it push comes to shove.

Russia is going to deliver natural gas to China how exactly?

 

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2. I doubt seriously that an uncoordinated effort of "freedom fighters" is going to make the dent you are theorizing.  

 

I seriously doubted Ukraine would out  class the Russian armed forces today, or that the Afghan militants would  outclass the Russian armed forces with shoulder mounted rocket launchers. 
 

And lest we forget what militants in Iraq and Afghanistan did to the US armed forces with IEDs funded by private citizens from Saudi Arabia. 
 

Regardless as wrote early in this thread, this is a European issue solvable by Europeans   America

doesn’t need its government involved.  Let private American citizens try to fund the downfall of Russian / CCP adventures the way Saudi citizens funded  9/11 and the militants of Iraq and Afghanistan.  

 

It’s only fair.