The Return of Al Qaeda

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So, everything General Sada says was fabricated?

Who are you going to believe, some third world general or your own President?

President Bush: Now, look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't...

It's a poor joke. But a joke nonetheless.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

So, everything General Sada says was fabricated?

Who are you going to believe, some third world general or your own President?

President Bush: Now, look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't...

It's a poor joke. But a joke nonetheless.

What's a joke?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So, everything General Sada says was fabricated?

Who are you going to believe, some third world general or your own President?

President Bush: Now, look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't...

It's a poor joke. But a joke nonetheless.

What's a joke?

That Bush makes a big hooha about WMD, Al Qaeda and "imminent threats" posed by Iraq. Then admits none of it was true, but still can't admit being 'wrong'.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, everything General Sada says was fabricated?

Well, some folks built an entire strategy on what one Ahmed Chalabi said.

The fact of the matter is that Saddam was contained through the UN sanctions. They [the sanctions] were working and there was no reason or justification to attack that country and turn Iraq into the disaster it is today.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There was talk of deposing Saddam after Gulf War 1, but they didn't do it because someone back then realised the logistics involved in administrating that country, and that kicking out the villain wouldn't necessarily guarantee a happy ending. Makes the piss poor planning of the 2003 invasion rather more heinous IMO.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There was talk of deposing Saddam after Gulf War 1, but they didn't do it because someone back then realised the logistics involved in administrating that country, and that kicking out the villain wouldn't necessarily guarantee a happy ending. Makes the piss poor planning of the 2003 invasion rather more heinous IMO.

Absolutely. The ignorant and arrogant manner in which this inept bunch made this far-reaching decision is just outrageous. They should be held to account but unfortunately, they won't be. They'll get away with their mass murder.

[GaryC 7]

There was talk of deposing Saddam after Gulf War 1, but they didn't do it because someone back then realised the logistics involved in administrating that country, and that kicking out the villain wouldn't necessarily guarantee a happy ending. Makes the piss poor planning of the 2003 invasion rather more heinous IMO.

Absolutely. The ignorant and arrogant manner in which this inept bunch made this far-reaching decision is just outrageous. They should be held to account but unfortunately, they won't be. They'll get away with their mass murder.

Your hatred is overwhelming. You should stand back and listen to yourself. Bush did the right thing kicking Saddam out. It was never going to be a quick end to the war. It was said that way from the begining. It will take time, effort and faith to do it. It seems you are not willing to do what it takes and would rather spew your vile hatred instead of doing the right thing. I truly feel sorry for you.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There was talk of deposing Saddam after Gulf War 1, but they didn't do it because someone back then realised the logistics involved in administrating that country, and that kicking out the villain wouldn't necessarily guarantee a happy ending. Makes the piss poor planning of the 2003 invasion rather more heinous IMO.

Absolutely. The ignorant and arrogant manner in which this inept bunch made this far-reaching decision is just outrageous. They should be held to account but unfortunately, they won't be. They'll get away with their mass murder.

Your hatred is overwhelming. You should stand back and listen to yourself. Bush did the right thing kicking Saddam out. It was never going to be a quick end to the war. It was said that way from the begining. It will take time, effort and faith to do it. It seems you are not willing to do what it takes and would rather spew your vile hatred instead of doing the right thing. I truly feel sorry for you.

Illegally attacking a country and plunging it into chaos and despair never was the right thing to do. Nor will it ever be. Hatred? No. I just call them as I see them. They fcuked Iraq up beyond recognition and repair. They refuse to take note of reality. Blood is on their hands. That's just what it is, Gary.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There was talk of deposing Saddam after Gulf War 1, but they didn't do it because someone back then realised the logistics involved in administrating that country, and that kicking out the villain wouldn't necessarily guarantee a happy ending. Makes the piss poor planning of the 2003 invasion rather more heinous IMO.

Absolutely. The ignorant and arrogant manner in which this inept bunch made this far-reaching decision is just outrageous. They should be held to account but unfortunately, they won't be. They'll get away with their mass murder.

Your hatred is overwhelming. You should stand back and listen to yourself. Bush did the right thing kicking Saddam out. It was never going to be a quick end to the war. It was said that way from the begining. It will take time, effort and faith to do it. It seems you are not willing to do what it takes and would rather spew your vile hatred instead of doing the right thing. I truly feel sorry for you.

Well its not untrue. George Bush Sr's administration did consider removing Saddam but relented because they realised what it would require committing to- in terms of manpower, money and the general stability of the country and the region. The fact that this was apparently ignored by GWB et al - is particularly heinous, considering that poor planning is one of the big charges laid against the current administration for the prosecution of the 2003 war.

On the bolded part - Why?

a) Because Saddam had WMD and was prepared, willing and "Capable" of using them against the US and its allies.

B) Because Saddam was somehow fronting for disparate factional extremist groups.

c) Because Saddam was oppressing his people.

What does Saddam have to do with Bin Laden and the resurgence of Al Qaeda? The relationship seems rather vague IMO (and by extension - so is the link between the Iraq War and the War on Terror) - considering that the extremist elements only came to the fore once Saddam et al were out of the way - almost exactly as was predicted in the early 90's.

Edited July 13, 2007 by Number 6

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Bush did the right thing kicking Saddam out.

That may have been believable as long as we believed Saddam had WMD.

But now we know that he didn't. Our President said so himself, and I'll believe him over you any day.

[GaryC 7]

Lets just say that I strongly disagree. If I could go back in time I would still fully support going into Iraq. It is the right thing to do.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Lets just say that I strongly disagree. If I could go back in time I would still fully support going into Iraq. It is the right thing to do.

You'd support taking out Saddam even though he didn't have WMD?

Why? If he didn't have WMD, he'd be just another pathetic tinpot Arab dictator.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Lets just say that I strongly disagree. If I could go back in time I would still fully support going into Iraq. It is the right thing to do.

You'd support taking out Saddam even though he didn't have WMD?

Why? If he didn't have WMD, he'd be just another pathetic tinpot Arab dictator.

And still have little if anything to do with AQ... The people we are 'supposed' to be fighting.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Lets just say that I strongly disagree. If I could go back in time I would still fully support going into Iraq. It is the right thing to do.

You'd support taking out Saddam even though he didn't have WMD?

Why? If he didn't have WMD, he'd be just another pathetic tinpot Arab dictator.

And still have little if anything to do with AQ... The people we are 'supposed' to be fighting.

I have this feeling that Gary believes Saddam had WMD. There's no other explanation for why he thinks the invasion was a good idea. If he believes Saddam had WMD, he must think our President is a liar.

Edited July 13, 2007 by VJ Troll

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Nah, I am waiting to see what those that say there is no terrorist threat will say.

Well, seems that a trillion dollars and an additional three and a half thousand lost American lives later, we're right back to square one.

What an accomplished strategery.

E.T. could you please define WAR! An accomplished strategy?GOT ONE? War is HE!!. Fu##in arm chair boy. Get in there and do better son! Why dont people get that?

If someone was shooting at you, would you be thinking about money? The family budget! Geeeeez.

I love your stance on immigration!

The people tryin to kill us are basically gettin here illegally! Soooooo?