The Return of Al Qaeda

[Heracles 417]

Why not keep the soldiers at home and defend against terrorism here. Really, the war in Iraq, hasn't kept all terrorism there. There has been at least one successful plot in Britain, and many more foiled ones in both the US and Britain.

If this war, was really about protecting freedoms as it was in WW2, you would honestly see much more support for it. But pretty much every war since WW2 has been has been a presidential war. Its been about a political goal that doesn't have unilateral support from the people.

We already tried that approach during WWII. The end result was over 50,000,000 people dead.

Presidential war.. Don't even get me started on Vietnam. What a disgrace American hippies where and still are to this country. Being a foreigner myself we perceive the hippies of the 60's as losers who wanted to have fun and use drugs rather than put their life on the line to fight for somebody else's freedom. Losers who failed to accept and deal with the reality of the world without the use of drugs.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

so you don't have a plan, you just want to sit here & bi*ch about a mistake we all know was a mistake. i'll as you again.

you'll find that quite often in regards to this topic. a bunch of complaints, no solutions.

Bah. Easy to say when the only 'solution' you people keep beating your chests over isn't even your idea. Kind of like sitting in a restaurant and saying "I'll have what he's having" to remove yourself from the burden of decision making

Besides, there's selective reading going on once again. Doesn't matter how the question is answered if you're going to ignore the answers anyway. Makes the whole thing rather pointless IMO.

what's this "you people" stuff? that has some hidden connotations to it, so refrain from such.

Connotations so "hidden" even the author doesn't see them

you need to get out more then

oh yeah, no witty reply so out comes the off topic sign. still, try to find out what "you people" means. now back to your bashing of the opinions of others.

[GaryC 7]

There isn't a lack of an actual plan, there is a lack of willingness in this administration to admit that it royally fcuked up and a stubbornly ignorant insistence - an insane insistence, really - to keep digging to get out of the hole they dug us into to begin with. Click on the link and read from page 33 onward if you're interested in what true experts consider and recommended as a viable approach.

ok that 50 or so pages i'm at work. can you give me the cliff notes? and highlight the part where we all convert to islamic law-coz thats the only way the BS will stop.

Read it when you have time.

ok i'll do that. but, if it doesn't contain a plan for the entire world living under islamic law, it won't work.

So, you're not interested in a serious debate on the way out of the clusterfcuk that Bush has managed to make out of Iraq. That's fine. But then please don't pretend that you are.

The trouble is ET that he is absolutely correct. The only way this is going to stop is if we kill every one of the extremist or we all convert to Islam. It's you thats fixated on blaming Bush and not seeing the big picture.

[smoke20 0]

There isn't a lack of an actual plan, there is a lack of willingness in this administration to admit that it royally fcuked up and a stubbornly ignorant insistence - an insane insistence, really - to keep digging to get out of the hole they dug us into to begin with. Click on the link and read from page 33 onward if you're interested in what true experts consider and recommended as a viable approach.

ok that 50 or so pages i'm at work. can you give me the cliff notes? and highlight the part where we all convert to islamic law-coz thats the only way the BS will stop.

Read it when you have time.

ok i'll do that. but, if it doesn't contain a plan for the entire world living under islamic law, it won't work.

So, you're not interested in a serious debate on the way out of the clusterfcuk that Bush has managed to make out of Iraq. That's fine. But then please don't pretend that you are.

oh i very much am intrested. but, iraq isn't all on bush. the others in washington also voted to go to war on the same info bush had. now they want to "cut & run", w/o taking any responsibility for their actions. thats why i asked for the cliff notes. i want to know, if its a real viable plan or more democratic bs pointing the finger across the aisle. when their just a guilty of getting us into this as bush. and like i said the extremist want world domination & no comprimise will ever be possible. get use to it, this war against terrorism (where ever the front line is) will not end in our life time.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

oh yeah, no witty reply so out comes the off topic sign. still, try to find out what "you people" means. now back to your bashing of the opinions of others.

Always got to take things personally...

I'd sooner discuss the thread topic. Given how sensitive you are these days about personal attacks these days - I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to follow suit.

Edited July 12, 2007 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

How bout we remove our troops from countries that don't want us there, stop supporting Israel and pay attention to our own country for once!!!!

The US tried that during the Israel / Hezbollah conflict. Once again they where to blamed for not interfering.

As I have asked before if the US cut off 'all' ties from the middle east, banned travel and neither sold nor imported any of their goods; would that region be peaceful??

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

oh i very much am intrested. but, iraq isn't all on bush. the others in washington also voted to go to war on the same info bush had. now they want to "cut & run", w/o taking any responsibility for their actions. thats why i asked for the cliff notes. i want to know, if its a real viable plan or more democratic bs pointing the finger across the aisle. when their just a guilty of getting us into this as bush. and like i said the extremist want world domination & no comprimise will ever be possible. get use to it, this war against terrorism (where ever the front line is) will not end in our life time.

Do you think that Iraq has made things better or worse as far as fundamentalist terrorism is concerned?

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

oh yeah, no witty reply so out comes the off topic sign. still, try to find out what "you people" means. now back to your bashing of the opinions of others.

Always got to take things personally...

I'd sooner discuss the thread topic. Given how sensitive you are these days about personal attacks personal attacks these days - I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to follow suit.

more like anytime someone floats an idea that even slightly differs from yours, you browbeat them over it. and why the name change again?

[GaryC 7]

How bout we remove our troops from countries that don't want us there, stop supporting Israel and pay attention to our own country for once!!!!

The US tried that during the Israel / Hezbollah conflict. Once again they where to blamed for not interfering.

As I have asked before if the US cut off 'all' ties from the middle east, banned travel and neither sold nor imported any of their goods; would that region be peaceful??

They don't want to talk about that. They have their talking points and anything that does not fit those are dismissed. They have no plan with the exception of blaming Bush. Thats quite a plan. Blame Bush, it fixes everything.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

oh yeah, no witty reply so out comes the off topic sign. still, try to find out what "you people" means. now back to your bashing of the opinions of others.

Always got to take things personally...

I'd sooner discuss the thread topic. Given how sensitive you are these days about personal attacks personal attacks these days - I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to follow suit.

more like anytime someone floats an idea that even slightly differs from yours, you browbeat them over it. and why the name change again?

Precluding the 99% possibility that I did it for the 'hell of it' - lets go for the 1% possibility that I did it just to annoy you

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There isn't a lack of an actual plan, there is a lack of willingness in this administration to admit that it royally fcuked up and a stubbornly ignorant insistence - an insane insistence, really - to keep digging to get out of the hole they dug us into to begin with. Click on the link and read from page 33 onward if you're interested in what true experts consider and recommended as a viable approach.

ok that 50 or so pages i'm at work. can you give me the cliff notes? and highlight the part where we all convert to islamic law-coz thats the only way the BS will stop.

Read it when you have time.

ok i'll do that. but, if it doesn't contain a plan for the entire world living under islamic law, it won't work.

So, you're not interested in a serious debate on the way out of the clusterfcuk that Bush has managed to make out of Iraq. That's fine. But then please don't pretend that you are.

oh i very much am intrested. but, iraq isn't all on bush. the others in washington also voted to go to war on the same info bush had.

Remind me again: Who is the "commander guy"? And who in Congress pushed him to go into Iraq?

Besides, right or wrong, good or bad, we're there. It is hard to dispute that this war has been grossly mismanaged. Who manages the war? Congress? I don't think so.

You were asking for an alternative and viable plan forward. It's there. And Bush thumbs his arrogant nose at it and prefers to be his idiotic stubborn self and continue on a path that has yielded zero results thus far in terms of stabilizing Iraq or fighting terrorism.

Edited July 12, 2007 by ET-US2004

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There isn't a lack of an actual plan, there is a lack of willingness in this administration to admit that it royally fcuked up and a stubbornly ignorant insistence - an insane insistence, really - to keep digging to get out of the hole they dug us into to begin with. Click on the link and read from page 33 onward if you're interested in what true experts consider and recommended as a viable approach.

ok that 50 or so pages i'm at work. can you give me the cliff notes? and highlight the part where we all convert to islamic law-coz thats the only way the BS will stop.

Read it when you have time.

ok i'll do that. but, if it doesn't contain a plan for the entire world living under islamic law, it won't work.

So, you're not interested in a serious debate on the way out of the clusterfcuk that Bush has managed to make out of Iraq. That's fine. But then please don't pretend that you are.

oh i very much am intrested. but, iraq isn't all on bush. the others in washington also voted to go to war on the same info bush had.

Remind me again: Who is the "commander guy"? And who in Congress pushed him to go into Iraq?

Whoever decided to vote for it really doesn't matter at the end of the day. Iraq was a fundamentally bad idea - as many people said at the outset, and as we have subsequently seen.

A rethink over this sort of unilateralism isn't unreasonable, as I've said. Moreover, it would seem to be prudent.

[GaryC 7]

There isn't a lack of an actual plan, there is a lack of willingness in this administration to admit that it royally fcuked up and a stubbornly ignorant insistence - an insane insistence, really - to keep digging to get out of the hole they dug us into to begin with. Click on the link and read from page 33 onward if you're interested in what true experts consider and recommended as a viable approach.

ok that 50 or so pages i'm at work. can you give me the cliff notes? and highlight the part where we all convert to islamic law-coz thats the only way the BS will stop.

Read it when you have time.

ok i'll do that. but, if it doesn't contain a plan for the entire world living under islamic law, it won't work.

So, you're not interested in a serious debate on the way out of the clusterfcuk that Bush has managed to make out of Iraq. That's fine. But then please don't pretend that you are.

oh i very much am intrested. but, iraq isn't all on bush. the others in washington also voted to go to war on the same info bush had.

Remind me again: Who is the "commander guy"? And who in Congress pushed him to go into Iraq?

Here is your list. You want the litany of quotes of dems that called for Saddam's ouster?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll...&vote=00237

Edited July 12, 2007 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[Heracles 417]

oh i very much am intrested. but, iraq isn't all on bush. the others in washington also voted to go to war on the same info bush had. now they want to "cut & run", w/o taking any responsibility for their actions. thats why i asked for the cliff notes. i want to know, if its a real viable plan or more democratic bs pointing the finger across the aisle. when their just a guilty of getting us into this as bush. and like i said the extremist want world domination & no comprimise will ever be possible. get use to it, this war against terrorism (where ever the front line is) will not end in our life time.

Do you think that Iraq has made things better or worse as far as fundamentalist terrorism is concerned?

It has brought them out of the darkness. Have you even seen what a bus load or market place of blown up women and children looks like. Is that Bush's fault as well?

Someone has to roll up their sleeves to get the dirty jobs done in this world. Al Qaeda is like a cancer. Until they are all killed we should never stop fighting them at every corner of the earth.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Afraid I wasn't ever convinced that it was necessary; and we're getting off the point that we're discussing the resurgence of a particularly violent religious / political ideology. That ideology was more or less under wraps prior to the invasion - all the conflict has done is exacerbate the resentment, severely damage international relations and move the termite infestation from one house to 2.