FYI

[Ron/Sharon 0]

You need to address this issue at the border.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:44 PM

To: Montreal, IV

Subject: RE: Change of address

Thank you for updating my file.

I have one question that I hope I can get an answer to.

My fiancé’s father is in the hospital in Kansas because of complication after a surgery and it had come to light that he is in worse shape than previously thought.

Is their some way that I would be allowed into the States without jeopardizing our K-1 visa if my fiancé asked me to be there when and if things get worse.

Thank you

There is no need to reply this is post it is for your information in case you ever have a reason to travel to the States urgently at your SO’s request.

[L_n_O 3]

can't you just go like usual cuz you haven't been issued the k1 visa yet..?

I think you'd just need maybe something from a doctor or your SO saying that he's in bad shape and would like you there...

[Emancipation 2]

Shouldn't this be in a better spot than OT? Perhaps K-1 discussion? It seems outta place here..

And why can't you go across the border and bring ties to Canada showing you are coming back pre-K-1 issuance?

Or are you saying the K-1 is issued and you are not ready to activate it or.?????

[L_n_O 3]

good point.. I'm going to move it to the K-1 forum

[Yodrak 7]

Emancipation,

What Ron/Sharon - actually the consulate - is saying is, 'it's the CBP that decides whether or not a person can enter the USA, not a consulate, so ask them'.

Yodrak

..... why can't you go across the border and bring ties to Canada showing you are coming back pre-K-1 issuance?

Or are you saying the K-1 is issued and you are not ready to activate it or.?????

You need to address this issue at the border.

I have one question that I hope I can get an answer to.

......

Is their some way that I would be allowed into the States without jeopardizing our K-1 visa if my fiancé asked me to be there when and if things get worse.

.....

Edited July 12, 2007 by Yodrak

[TracyTN 237]

Emancipation,

What Ron/Sharon - actually the consulate - is saying is, 'it's the CBP that decides whether or not a person can enter the USA, not a consulate, so ask them'.

Yodrak

Which is really nothing new.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

Thank you for moving this to the proper forum.

We are presently in the process of getting a letter from the doctor re: his present condition and prognosis. I am gathering the documentation required, even with documentation passage is not guaranteed, but wanting to be sure of passage at the POE I was hoping that the Consulate would have a form of sorts that could guarantee passage. Murphy's Law: If you perceive that there are four possible ways in which something can go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way, unprepared for, will promptly develop.

The K-1 is not yet issued and will not be for several months yet, which could cause the scale to tip in either direction even with the documentation re: ties to Canada. And on the eighth day God said;"O.K. Murphy, you take over!

Just got of the phone with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection people and was told that the only documents needed were the passport, ticket and a letter from the doctor, nothing else is required. I did tell them I was a K-1, and their only questions were are you coming back and how long will you be staying, and I said yes and about 2 weeks.

[pushbrk 12,883]

Thank you for moving this to the proper forum.

We are presently in the process of getting a letter from the doctor re: his present condition and prognosis. I am gathering the documentation required, even with documentation passage is not guaranteed, but wanting to be sure of passage at the POE I was hoping that the Consulate would have a form of sorts that could guarantee passage. Murphy's Law: If you perceive that there are four possible ways in which something can go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way, unprepared for, will promptly develop.

The K-1 is not yet issued and will not be for several months yet, which could cause the scale to tip in either direction even with the documentation re: ties to Canada. And on the eighth day God said;"O.K. Murphy, you take over!

Just got of the phone with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection people and was told that the only documents needed were the passport, ticket and a letter from the doctor, nothing else is required. I did tell them I was a K-1, and their only questions were are you coming back and how long will you be staying, and I said yes and about 2 weeks.

I don't want to confuse the issue because I think you have the answers you need. However, this answer, "You need to address this issue at the border." doesn't apply to all. It's probably good for Canadians or VWP countries and maybe even those countries where obtaining a visitor visa is just a routine approval. In cases where a visa is required before attempting to enter the US, the answer will be in the hands of first a Consular officer and then CBP at the POE.

Edited July 12, 2007 by pushbrk

[Jeremy + Kristy 0]

I'm constantly going to Canada or Kristy coming over here. They rarely bat an eye, even with my future step-daughter with me. Although, once I did have to prove ties to the US when i was going to Canada, and got pulled into a random customs check yesterday. Bring the documentation, answer the CBP officers truthfully and succinctly, and you won't have a problem whatsoever.

Yes, it's up to the CBP officer at the POE, but unless he is having a REALLY bad day, and is feeling like taking it out on someone and that someone is you, then you *could* be denied. I wouldn't give it a second thought, though, really.

[TimsDaisy 0]

Right - preparation, knowledge, and a calm attitude are key. The more you understand and can convey your knowledge of and respect for the laws, and if you carry the right kinds of evidence with you, the better off you'll be.

Someone could also be an ####### and say "no" - but anyone can lower the likelihood of this happening by being prepared. And staying calm. Can't emphasize either enough.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

I don't want to confuse the issue because I think you have the answers you need. However, this answer, "You need to address this issue at the border." doesn't apply to all. It's probably good for Canadians or VWP countries and maybe even those countries where obtaining a visitor visa is just a routine approval. In cases where a visa is required before attempting to enter the US, the answer will be in the hands of first a Consular officer and then CBP at the POE.

My mind is over thousand miles away and thinking is not as clear as it should be. I didn't intend for my comments to be taken universally. I have the answer I need as you said and as everyone else says also it is always best to have all the documentation possible in case questions are asked. This may have been better placed in the Canada sub forum than in the K-1. I went to the consulate and got their reply and then went to who they pointed to get an idea of what would be necessary to make my encounter pleasant rather than a disaster.

I'm constantly going to Canada or Kristy coming over here. They rarely bat an eye, even with my future step-daughter with me. Although, once I did have to prove ties to the US when i was going to Canada, and got pulled into a random customs check yesterday. Bring the documentation, answer the CBP officers truthfully and succinctly, and you won't have a problem whatsoever.

Since starting the process I haven't tried to enter the States and having gone through the past 10 months I definitely don't want to jeopardise the remaining time by doing something that could be negative.

Yes, it's up to the CBP officer at the POE, but unless he is having a REALLY bad day, and is feeling like taking it out on someone and that someone is you, then you *could* be denied. I wouldn't give it a second thought, though, really.

I'm sure that if there is a denial there is also a backup system in place where a second opinion can be asked for, and that is why I asked what documents would be required.

Right - preparation, knowledge, and a calm attitude are key. The more you understand and can convey your knowledge of and respect for the laws, and if you carry the right kinds of evidence with you, the better off you'll be.

Someone could also be an ####### and say "no" - but anyone can lower the likelihood of this happening by being prepared. And staying calm. Can't emphasize either enough.

Prepared and as calm as possible will be the way I will go. If not calm they will know why after reading the letter I will present.

I am sorry if nothing makes any sense, my mind has been everywhere but here for 3 weeks now

[pushbrk 12,883]

I don't want to confuse the issue because I think you have the answers you need. However, this answer, "You need to address this issue at the border." doesn't apply to all. It's probably good for Canadians or VWP countries and maybe even those countries where obtaining a visitor visa is just a routine approval. In cases where a visa is required before attempting to enter the US, the answer will be in the hands of first a Consular officer and then CBP at the POE.

My mind is over thousand miles away and thinking is not as clear as it should be. I didn't intend for my comments to be taken universally. I have the answer I need as you said and as everyone else says also it is always best to have all the documentation possible in case questions are asked. This may have been better placed in the Canada sub forum than in the K-1. I went to the consulate and got their reply and then went to who they pointed to get an idea of what would be necessary to make my encounter pleasant rather than a disaster.

I'm constantly going to Canada or Kristy coming over here. They rarely bat an eye, even with my future step-daughter with me. Although, once I did have to prove ties to the US when i was going to Canada, and got pulled into a random customs check yesterday. Bring the documentation, answer the CBP officers truthfully and succinctly, and you won't have a problem whatsoever.

Since starting the process I haven't tried to enter the States and having gone through the past 10 months I definitely don't want to jeopardise the remaining time by doing something that could be negative.

Yes, it's up to the CBP officer at the POE, but unless he is having a REALLY bad day, and is feeling like taking it out on someone and that someone is you, then you *could* be denied. I wouldn't give it a second thought, though, really.

I'm sure that if there is a denial there is also a backup system in place where a second opinion can be asked for, and that is why I asked what documents would be required.

Right - preparation, knowledge, and a calm attitude are key. The more you understand and can convey your knowledge of and respect for the laws, and if you carry the right kinds of evidence with you, the better off you'll be.

Someone could also be an ####### and say "no" - but anyone can lower the likelihood of this happening by being prepared. And staying calm. Can't emphasize either enough.

Prepared and as calm as possible will be the way I will go. If not calm they will know why after reading the letter I will present.

I am sorry if nothing makes any sense, my mind has been everywhere but here for 3 weeks now

I guess on hindsight this might have been better in the Canada forum but my only concern was the possibility of somebody taking the answer as universal. Certainly you didn't intend that.

The reason for my response now though is that you probably don't want to be "presenting" the letter unless it is needed. I suggest, that when you cross the border, you simply answer any questions as generally as possible. "Visiting family" or simply "pleasure" (as opposed to business) is usually sufficient for a travel purpose, as you already know. You're doing this preparation because you are a Canadian awaiting a K1 Fiance visa but the most likely circumstance is that you won't need the letter or anything you didn't need before. I would just approach the border crossing with the same attitude and actions you would if you weren't going through a visa process.

[Ron/Sharon 0]

I guess on hindsight this might have been better in the Canada forum but my only concern was the possibility of somebody taking the answer as universal. Certainly you didn't intend that.

It would have been better there and perhaps some kind soul will do just that. My intent was to state what was said to me and me alone considering the circumstance for which the question was asked, and I think that the answer given was a valid one. I did screw up in my original post, sorry.

The reason for my response now though is that you probably don't want to be "presenting" the letter unless it is needed. I suggest, that when you cross the border, you simply answer any questions as generally as possible. "Visiting family" or simply "pleasure" (as opposed to business) is usually sufficient for a travel purpose, as you already know. You're doing this preparation because you are a Canadian awaiting a K1 Fiance visa but the most likely circumstance is that you won't need the letter or anything you didn't need before. I would just approach the border crossing with the same attitude and actions you would if you weren't going through a visa process.

You are right, but I still want to have everything just in case a red flag pops up on their computer.

[TracyTN 237]

I guess on hindsight this might have been better in the Canada forum but my only concern was the possibility of somebody taking the answer as universal. Certainly you didn't intend that.

It would have been better there and perhaps some kind soul will do just that. My intent was to state what was said to me and me alone considering the circumstance for which the question was asked, and I think that the answer given was a valid one. I did screw up in my original post, sorry.

Moved to the Canada forum.

[Tinker 0]

You are right, but I still want to have everything just in case a red flag pops up on their computer.

I've always wondered, and this looks like the place to ask, when you apply for the K1 and they put you in the system, is your name flagged?

Last time I went over, no problems, didn't bring up the application, but when the CBP went to put my name in the computer, the man asked if I had anything I wanted to tell him before he did!

I have to pick Jim up from Syracuse on the 20th.

Edited July 12, 2007 by Tinker