Local Police Certificate or RCMP?

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lmao!! This police cert is a WEEKLY question on VJ!! RCMP or your LOCAL police Force is FINE!! As long as it is Canada wide! What else can I add? Oh yes, they all differ in appearance, fee, time to get it in ur hands, etc etc For Mtl the validity period is 1 yr!

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lmao!! This police cert is a WEEKLY question on VJ!! RCMP or your LOCAL police Force is FINE!! As long as it is Canada wide! What else can I add? Oh yes, they all differ in appearance, fee, time to get it in ur hands, etc etc For Mtl the validity period is 1 yr!

Yes it is, however at least now we really REAlly REALLY know the answer to this question

[Tinker 0]

lmao!! This police cert is a WEEKLY question on VJ!! RCMP or your LOCAL police Force is FINE!! As long as it is Canada wide! What else can I add? Oh yes, they all differ in appearance, fee, time to get it in ur hands, etc etc For Mtl the validity period is 1 yr!

Yes it is, however at least now we really REAlly REALLY know the answer to this question

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

[trailmix 77]

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

Please elaborate!?

[trailmix 77]

POLICE RECORDS

Inside Canada: Applicants who are physically present in Canada should contact their local police service or Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) office regarding criminal record check procedures. Applicants may obtain a certificate of no conviction issued by any Canadian police service so long as it notes that Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) or the national criminal records repository was searched using the applicant’s name and date of birth. Applicants should ensure that the search includes all names that they have previously used, including maiden names, prior married names, or names used before Canadian naturalization. (Note: Because records checks based on name and date of birth only are sometimes less thorough than those based on fingerprints, U.S. diplomatic offices reserve the right to request that certain applicants obtain fingerprint-based searches from the RCMP.)

Applicants who have been convicted of a crime in Canada must contact their local RCMP office to obtain a “Certified Criminal Record Check,” which lists an applicant’s criminal history, indicating the section of the Canadian Criminal Code under which the applicant was charged, the disposition of the case, and the penalty imposed, if any. Obtaining a Certified Criminal Records Check requires submission of a fingerprint chart; the RCMP could take between two and twelve months to process a request for a Certified Criminal Record Check. (Note: If a namecheck by a police agency reveals a conviction record, that agency may be unwilling to issue a certificate and may refer the applicant to the RCMP for a Certified Criminal Record Check.)

Canadian pardons have no effect under U.S. law. Applicants who have been convicted of a crime in Canada that was subsequently pardoned must contact an RCMP office to obtain both a Certified Criminal Record Check and copies of their pardoned criminal record. Additional information is available online at: http://www.rcmp.ca/crimrec/finger2_e.htm#Obtain.

Outside Canada: Applicants who are not physically present in Canada must obtain a Certified Criminal Record Check by sending a duplicate set of fingerprints (taken by a local police force) to the RCMP. Fingerprint submissions must include the following:

· rolled and flat impressions of all ten fingers taken with black ink (may use a standard FD-258 FBI fingerprint card)

· full name, date of birth, and sex of the applicant

· the name and address of the police agency taking the fingerprints

· the signature of the official taking the fingerprints

· the reason for the fingerprint submission (U.S. visa)

· the processing fee of CAD 25.00 or USD 18.00, payable to the "Receiver General for Canada" by certified check or money order.

Fingerprint submissions should be sent to: RCMP, Civil Fingerprint Screening Services, P.O. Box 8885, Ottawa, ON, K1G 3M8. Additional information is available online at: http://www.rcmp.ca/crimrec/finger2_e.htm#Obtain.

Special note for applicants who reside or resided in Newfoundland and Labrador: The RCMP did not operate in Newfoundland before April 1, 1949. Therefore, applicants who were age sixteen or over in 1949 and who resided anywhere in Newfoundland and Labrador for six months or longer after reaching the age of sixteen must obtain a Good Conduct Certificate issued by the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary (RNC). Applicants should inquire at RNC offices in St. John’s, Corner Brook, Churchill Falls, or Labrador City, or may contact the RNC at: Headquarters, Royal Newfoundland Constabulary, 1 Fort Townshend, St. John’s, NL, A1C 2G2, tel: 709-729-8000.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/reciprocity/C...er/C/Canada.htm

[Tinker 0]

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

Please elaborate!?

Sorry, I had posted in another thread. Someone mentioned they had to wait for their visa until they got another CPIC with both names (maiden and married) The woman at the RCMP office asked me for my maiden name, did the check, but had only put my present name on the certificate in March. I went back last week and they redid the whole thing with both names on the certificate for free So I have a fresh one, still have a copy of the previous one so they can't say I didn't have it for my checklist, HA!

[trailmix 77]

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

Please elaborate!?

So I have a fresh one, still have a copy of the previous one so they can't say I didn't have it for my checklist, HA!

No they can't!

[SpiritAlight 1]

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

Please elaborate!?

Sorry, I had posted in another thread. Someone mentioned they had to wait for their visa until they got another CPIC with both names (maiden and married) The woman at the RCMP office asked me for my maiden name, did the check, but had only put my present name on the certificate in March. I went back last week and they redid the whole thing with both names on the certificate for free So I have a fresh one, still have a copy of the previous one so they can't say I didn't have it for my checklist, HA!

I wondef if you are still around these parts Tinker...

if anyone can help me...please please please do.

Here is my question:

A long time ago, in the late 80s, I found out my (now ex-) husband was cheating/lying/etc. I went and did something stupid and got caught of course. I changed price tags on an item of clothing; maybe a difference of $20 or $30, I don't remember. (There's a lot of repressed memories from that time in my life.) I had never done that before and of course not since.

After my precious honey proposed this Spring, I thought I would start checking into my past and what would come up.

I didn't imagine the RCMP would have this on file, as I paid a small fine, and the court systems do not have me on record. I went and got print-outs from the municipal and provincial courts, and even asked at the federal level and nothing on file.

I got my prints ran by a private company and it took a while, but I got my results – a summary conviction that states:

Fraud under $1000

and

Poss. of property obtained by crime under $1000 withdrawn

Apparently there is no "shoplifting" terminology in Canadian courts, and it wasn't exactly shoplifting.

So for a misdemeanour of under $50, I am suffering the consequences years later.

I could not get any more details on paper than what the RCMP sent me.

After 7 years I made the assumption that it had simply faded away, as I had forgotten about it.

And it's been almost 20 years.

I have worked for the government, taught children in community centres, been left responsible for a $2 million yacht, as well as keys to a college where I worked for all the A/V equipment. Certainly someone checked my background sometime!

Plus the hundreds of times I went in and out the U.S. (and overseas a few times) since then, even on one way tickets and driving....and it never came up.

Except the last time I tried to enter the U.S. and got stopped for trying to mail a bunch of boxes to my sweetie's home. They thought I was moving there, and I got pulled into the office and fun began. In the end I "voluntarily turned back" and not barred thankgodd.

Here is my question:

The RCMP results are dated March 22nd.

Can I simply show it to the RCMP office here in Montreal and ask for a new stamp on it, if they run my name now and see I have been good?

Any suggestions on any part of this fiasco I caused?

Thank you.

Edited October 19, 2007 by SpiritAlight

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Hi,

I'm very confused about which one to get. On one hand I read that RCMP is better because it's a Canada Wide search (and it avoids the 3 municipal checks I would need)but requires fingerprinting first, then application for a criminal check. When I called the 613-998-6362 number and they say there is a 150 day wait time on Criminal Checks (and I KNOW I don't even have a criminal record),

On the other hand, I look @ Toronto's Police Services and they use the same database as the RCMP and they DON'T require fingerprints, of course they also don't state how long it will take for the criminal check.

So which service do I use that will take the least amount of time? I'm 3 months away from my wedding date!

Thank you,

Since I'm in the GTA I might be of some assistance. There is a new wrinkle I should warn you about though. If you have a criminal record or have been charged and exonerated then you will need a fingerprint check. This was well-known. The new twist is if you have been refused entry at the border, for any reason, you will need the fingerprint check. The Toronto Police (Metro Cops) take about 10 days to mail out the form. It is on Toronto Police stationery and it either indicates that the CPIC was checked and no matches were found or if there were any hits with your name and DOB. I believe it is about $46. You can either get the form on the internet or in person at 40 College. Peel Region Police does it while you wait and I believe it is $26. You fill in a form and they stamp it. Not as nice as the Toronto letter. The Durham Police sends a response via mail and district HQs are open 24/7. I don't remember what they charge or what York Regional Police charges but they (YRP) has two locations to serve. One is at Hillcrest Mall and one is at Police HQ. Fingerprints take time. The three major companies in the GTA (there are a few others) that offer the service are: Commissionaires ($72), FIPS ($50) and International ($60). I only have experience with International but it is also electronic just like Commissionaires and they are mentioned on the AMCITS website if that means anything. I know nothing about FIPS other than they are near the court at 1000 Finch West. I don't believe that they do electronic fingerprints but I could be wrong.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

Please elaborate!?

Sorry, I had posted in another thread. Someone mentioned they had to wait for their visa until they got another CPIC with both names (maiden and married) The woman at the RCMP office asked me for my maiden name, did the check, but had only put my present name on the certificate in March. I went back last week and they redid the whole thing with both names on the certificate for free So I have a fresh one, still have a copy of the previous one so they can't say I didn't have it for my checklist, HA!

I wondef if you are still around these parts Tinker...

if anyone can help me...please please please do.

Here is my question:

A long time ago, in the late 80s, I found out my (now ex-) husband was cheating/lying/etc. I went and did something stupid and got caught of course. I changed price tags on an item of clothing; maybe a difference of $20 or $30, I don't remember. (There's a lot of repressed memories from that time in my life.) I had never done that before and of course not since.

After my precious honey proposed this Spring, I thought I would start checking into my past and what would come up.

I didn't imagine the RCMP would have this on file, as I paid a small fine, and the court systems do not have me on record. I went and got print-outs from the municipal and provincial courts, and even asked at the federal level and nothing on file.

I got my prints ran by a private company and it took a while, but I got my results – a summary conviction that states:

Fraud under $1000

and

Poss. of property obtained by crime under $1000 withdrawn

Apparently there is no "shoplifting" terminology in Canadian courts, and it wasn't exactly shoplifting.

So for a misdemeanour of under $50, I am suffering the consequences years later.

I could not get any more details on paper than what the RCMP sent me.

After 7 years I made the assumption that it had simply faded away, as I had forgotten about it.

And it's been almost 20 years.

I have worked for the government, taught children in community centres, been left responsible for a $2 million yacht, as well as keys to a college where I worked for all the A/V equipment. Certainly someone checked my background sometime!

Plus the hundreds of times I went in and out the U.S. (and overseas a few times) since then, even on one way tickets and driving....and it never came up.

Except the last time I tried to enter the U.S. and got stopped for trying to mail a bunch of boxes to my sweetie's home. They thought I was moving there, and I got pulled into the office and fun began. In the end I "voluntarily turned back" and not barred thankgodd.

Here is my question:

The RCMP results are dated March 22nd.

Can I simply show it to the RCMP office here in Montreal and ask for a new stamp on it, if they run my name now and see I have been good?

Any suggestions on any part of this fiasco I caused?

Thank you.

I'm not sure I understand your question. You will not need to request another police check, unless it is more than 1yo. You need to go with what you have since the US does not recognize pardons, etc. from foreign jurisdictions. You need to apply to have the absolute discharge purged from your record on the CPIC. PM me and I'll see if I have the form. The law changed in January of 1992 and all absolute discharges are now automatically purged after three years. But, since the incident took place before 1992, you need to apply to have it removed (it looks good to the USCIS). The local police will likely have your record in perpetuity. You must declare this indiscretion (fraud) since it is considered a crime of moral turpitude and you must declare all arrests anyways. But under the petty offence exception of the INA s. 212 you are allowed one misdemeanour provided it only happened once. Since it is more than 15 yo it will have no effect on your application. You must now go to the court archives and get a certified copy of the case record. If you have the date of the conviction, then it won't be too difficult. You should have results in 4 to 6 weeks, although 2 weeks is more likely.

BTW,

You have nothing to be ashamed of, you are no less of a person in my eyes or I hope anyone else's eyes. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, ###### happens.

[SpiritAlight 1]

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

Please elaborate!?

Sorry, I had posted in another thread. Someone mentioned they had to wait for their visa until they got another CPIC with both names (maiden and married) The woman at the RCMP office asked me for my maiden name, did the check, but had only put my present name on the certificate in March. I went back last week and they redid the whole thing with both names on the certificate for free So I have a fresh one, still have a copy of the previous one so they can't say I didn't have it for my checklist, HA!

I wondef if you are still around these parts Tinker...

if anyone can help me...please please please do.

Here is my question:

A long time ago, in the late 80s, I found out my (now ex-) husband was cheating/lying/etc. I went and did something stupid and got caught of course. I changed price tags on an item of clothing; maybe a difference of $20 or $30, I don't remember. (There's a lot of repressed memories from that time in my life.) I had never done that before and of course not since.

After my precious honey proposed this Spring, I thought I would start checking into my past and what would come up.

I didn't imagine the RCMP would have this on file, as I paid a small fine, and the court systems do not have me on record. I went and got print-outs from the municipal and provincial courts, and even asked at the federal level and nothing on file.

I got my prints ran by a private company and it took a while, but I got my results – a summary conviction that states:

Fraud under $1000

and

Poss. of property obtained by crime under $1000 withdrawn

Apparently there is no "shoplifting" terminology in Canadian courts, and it wasn't exactly shoplifting.

So for a misdemeanour of under $50, I am suffering the consequences years later.

I could not get any more details on paper than what the RCMP sent me.

After 7 years I made the assumption that it had simply faded away, as I had forgotten about it.

And it's been almost 20 years.

I have worked for the government, taught children in community centres, been left responsible for a $2 million yacht, as well as keys to a college where I worked for all the A/V equipment. Certainly someone checked my background sometime!

Plus the hundreds of times I went in and out the U.S. (and overseas a few times) since then, even on one way tickets and driving....and it never came up.

Except the last time I tried to enter the U.S. and got stopped for trying to mail a bunch of boxes to my sweetie's home. They thought I was moving there, and I got pulled into the office and fun began. In the end I "voluntarily turned back" and not barred thankgodd.

Here is my question:

The RCMP results are dated March 22nd.

Can I simply show it to the RCMP office here in Montreal and ask for a new stamp on it, if they run my name now and see I have been good?

Any suggestions on any part of this fiasco I caused?

Thank you.

I'm not sure I understand your question. You will not need to request another police check, unless it is more than 1yo. You need to go with what you have since the US does not recognize pardons, etc. from foreign jurisdictions. You need to apply to have the absolute discharge purged from your record on the CPIC. PM me and I'll see if I have the form. The law changed in January of 1992 and all absolute discharges are now automatically purged after three years. But, since the incident took place before 1992, you need to apply to have it removed (it looks good to the USCIS). The local police will likely have your record in perpetuity. You must declare this indiscretion (fraud) since it is considered a crime of moral turpitude and you must declare all arrests anyways. But under the petty offence exception of the INA s. 212 you are allowed one misdemeanour provided it only happened once. Since it is more than 15 yo it will have no effect on your application. You must now go to the court archives and get a certified copy of the case record. If you have the date of the conviction, then it won't be too difficult. You should have results in 4 to 6 weeks, although 2 weeks is more likely.

BTW,

You have nothing to be ashamed of, you are no less of a person in my eyes or I hope anyone else's eyes. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, ###### happens.

First thing first:

CONGRATULATIONS on your interview date pegged...couldn't miss it.

Second: I thought that a police check older than 6 months was not valid.

You have absolutely made my day!!! Huge virtual hug for you.

Third: The thing for me to do now is tell my USian sweetie to ask our lawyer there about what you just told me.

I was not happy with lack of pro-activity on her part and so have been doing my own investigative research...and so far the VJ forum is a godsend. I actually rest my troubled mind these days, thanks to you.

And last: Yes, I have much to let go of. The fact that I felt I had to let my future in-laws know about that "dead" story made me feel exactly that: ashamed. And here I thought I had transcended that part of my life. Well, I have, except now I need to purge the feeling of guilt/shame as to what it is bringing to this K1 process and the confessions. I told all my friends and family and it stirred up all kinds of emotions for me, as well as others. sigh I know it will all be behind me in the near future when this paperwork is done.

I am but human....

...and a part-time semi-goddess.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

ah yeah....That's why I had to run back to the RCMP last week to redo the CPIC I got in March..

Please elaborate!?

Sorry, I had posted in another thread. Someone mentioned they had to wait for their visa until they got another CPIC with both names (maiden and married) The woman at the RCMP office asked me for my maiden name, did the check, but had only put my present name on the certificate in March. I went back last week and they redid the whole thing with both names on the certificate for free So I have a fresh one, still have a copy of the previous one so they can't say I didn't have it for my checklist, HA!

I wondef if you are still around these parts Tinker...

if anyone can help me...please please please do.

Here is my question:

A long time ago, in the late 80s, I found out my (now ex-) husband was cheating/lying/etc. I went and did something stupid and got caught of course. I changed price tags on an item of clothing; maybe a difference of $20 or $30, I don't remember. (There's a lot of repressed memories from that time in my life.) I had never done that before and of course not since.

After my precious honey proposed this Spring, I thought I would start checking into my past and what would come up.

I didn't imagine the RCMP would have this on file, as I paid a small fine, and the court systems do not have me on record. I went and got print-outs from the municipal and provincial courts, and even asked at the federal level and nothing on file.

I got my prints ran by a private company and it took a while, but I got my results – a summary conviction that states:

Fraud under $1000

and

Poss. of property obtained by crime under $1000 withdrawn

Apparently there is no "shoplifting" terminology in Canadian courts, and it wasn't exactly shoplifting.

So for a misdemeanour of under $50, I am suffering the consequences years later.

I could not get any more details on paper than what the RCMP sent me.

After 7 years I made the assumption that it had simply faded away, as I had forgotten about it.

And it's been almost 20 years.

I have worked for the government, taught children in community centres, been left responsible for a $2 million yacht, as well as keys to a college where I worked for all the A/V equipment. Certainly someone checked my background sometime!

Plus the hundreds of times I went in and out the U.S. (and overseas a few times) since then, even on one way tickets and driving....and it never came up.

Except the last time I tried to enter the U.S. and got stopped for trying to mail a bunch of boxes to my sweetie's home. They thought I was moving there, and I got pulled into the office and fun began. In the end I "voluntarily turned back" and not barred thankgodd.

Here is my question:

The RCMP results are dated March 22nd.

Can I simply show it to the RCMP office here in Montreal and ask for a new stamp on it, if they run my name now and see I have been good?

Any suggestions on any part of this fiasco I caused?

Thank you.

I'm not sure I understand your question. You will not need to request another police check, unless it is more than 1yo. You need to go with what you have since the US does not recognize pardons, etc. from foreign jurisdictions. You need to apply to have the absolute discharge purged from your record on the CPIC. PM me and I'll see if I have the form. The law changed in January of 1992 and all absolute discharges are now automatically purged after three years. But, since the incident took place before 1992, you need to apply to have it removed (it looks good to the USCIS). The local police will likely have your record in perpetuity. You must declare this indiscretion (fraud) since it is considered a crime of moral turpitude and you must declare all arrests anyways. But under the petty offence exception of the INA s. 212 you are allowed one misdemeanour provided it only happened once. Since it is more than 15 yo it will have no effect on your application. You must now go to the court archives and get a certified copy of the case record. If you have the date of the conviction, then it won't be too difficult. You should have results in 4 to 6 weeks, although 2 weeks is more likely.

BTW,

You have nothing to be ashamed of, you are no less of a person in my eyes or I hope anyone else's eyes. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, ###### happens.

First thing first:

CONGRATULATIONS on your interview date pegged...couldn't miss it.

Second: I thought that a police check older than 6 months was not valid.

You have absolutely made my day!!! Huge virtual hug for you.

Third: The thing for me to do now is tell my USian sweetie to ask our lawyer there about what you just told me.

I was not happy with lack of pro-activity on her part and so have been doing my own investigative research...and so far the VJ forum is a godsend. I actually rest my troubled mind these days, thanks to you.

And last: Yes, I have much to let go of. The fact that I felt I had to let my future in-laws know about that "dead" story made me feel exactly that: ashamed. And here I thought I had transcended that part of my life. Well, I have, except now I need to purge the feeling of guilt/shame as to what it is bringing to this K1 process and the confessions. I told all my friends and family and it stirred up all kinds of emotions for me, as well as others. sigh I know it will all be behind me in the near future when this paperwork is done.

I am but human....

...and a part-time semi-goddess.

Thank you kindly for the congratulatory message. I am glad that I was able to provide some respite from your troubles. Succor is the impetus for the VJ, especially in this forum and I'd like to believe that I do not have a monopoly in this regard. There are so many caring and helpful people in this forum. As you may have guessed, I'm overjoyed with the thought of the interview. Being "allowed" to voluntarily withdraw your application for admission has become a bit of a status symbol. Some of us have even been flagged.

Your lawyer needs to be aware of the absolute discharge and the petty offence exception found in item of the INA §212(a)(2)(A)(ii). You should complete the attached purge form and send it in. It will look good in the eyes of the USCIS and will help you move on. It should take about 4 to 6 weeks for a response.

I'd like to believe that the demonstration of our humanity is the outward expression of our own divinity.

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Here's the form you need. You can mail or fax it in.

rcmpdischarge.pdf

[Melyssa 0]

So did I.

Sorry but I just found that extremly hillarious

Just don't do the RCMP one where you send it away to Ottawa. Mine was just mailed out yesterday, and I applied for it 3 months ago. They mixed up my name and my gender (they called me a "Mr" and had my last name wrong and were trying to run the check on the wrong person.)

Local ones are much quicker..and generally when they see you in person they don't mess up your gender. I hope.

[Ontarkie 14,218]

hi there i dont normally do any talking on the boards its mostly my fiance he does most of it anyways me the canadian, well i've been trying to figure out how and what police checks i need short story is i was charges with shoplifting in 93 and i dont really remember much of what happened in court all i really remember was that if i stayed out of trouble for a year i would have no record. Well i took the nursing program so i have had the name check and a rcmp fingure printing background check the whole nine yards done and they have always come back saying i have no record and what not its all good, but the problem is the court house has nothing on file for me the lady there told me to get a background check done and see what it says wich i have done several times. I had to have it done every year i took nursing, so i went and got a new one and put down it was for immagration to the US and still comes back clean and this is from the same police station that i was charged at i would think they would have something on file

Ok anyways thats the short version lmao i just dont know what i do next get another rcmp one done should i ask them to disclose any pardons i know i didnt apply for a pardon but i'm clueless atm and starting to confuse myself any feed back would be great

Edited October 22, 2007 by Ontarkie