Most & Least Educated States in America

[I751&waiting 26]

Seems to me red States lack priority or working for the people.

Deep Red states all rank as the least educated in the US yet they spend time on issues to CRT, abortion and other silly issues meanwhile they lag in education and health.   Texas has an abysmal record on child health and mortality.

 

Voting against their own interests.

https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075

[Mike E 11,739]

Look like states where Californians are migrating to. 

[Dashinka 24,513]

I always love these surveys.  So education level equals something I guess.  I know a lot of people that have advanced degrees that are not really very smart when it comes to the real world.  Btw, I thought the title of a thread was supposed to be the headline of the linked article/piece?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

38 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I always love these surveys.  So education level equals something I guess.  I know a lot of people that have advanced degrees that are not really very smart when it comes to the real world.  Btw, I thought the title of a thread was supposed to be the headline of the linked article/piece?

I think that and baiting got addressed 

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

 Btw, I thought the title of a thread was supposed to be the headline of the linked article/piece?

fixed

[jg121783 3,915]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I always love these surveys.  So education level equals something I guess.  I know a lot of people that have advanced degrees that are not really very smart when it comes to the real world.  Btw, I thought the title of a thread was supposed to be the headline of the linked article/piece?

I am not as interested in education level as I am the performance of public schools in a given area. I am willing to bet the lowest ranking cities as far as public education goes are mostly blue cities. There are people that only have high school diplomas that make 6 figures and people with advanced degrees that cant even get a job at McDonald's. So education level doesn't mean a whole lot these days. However it does matter if you graduate high school or not.

Edited December 7, 2021 by jg121783

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

19 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

I am not as interested in education level as I am the performance of public schools in a given area. I am willing to bet the lowest ranking cities as far as public education goes are mostly blue cities. There are people that only have high school diplomas that make 6 figures and people with advanced degrees that cant even get a job at McDonald's. So education level doesn't mean a whole lot these days. However it does matter if you graduate high school or not.

I have a coworker with no hs diploma that made 200k last year

[Dashinka 24,513]

16 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

I am not as interested in education level as I am the performance of public schools in a given area. I am willing to bet the lowest ranking cities as far as public education goes are mostly blue cities. There are people that only have high school diplomas that make 6 figures and people with advanced degrees that cant even get a job at McDonald's. So education level doesn't mean a whole lot these days. However it does matter if you graduate high school or not.

I believe that those with advanced degrees make up more than 50% of the folks that have student loan debt.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

1 hour ago, jg121783 said:

I am not as interested in education level as I am the performance of public schools in a given area. I am willing to bet the lowest ranking cities as far as public education goes are mostly blue cities. There are people that only have high school diplomas that make 6 figures and people with advanced degrees that cant even get a job at McDonald's. So education level doesn't mean a whole lot these days. However it does matter if you graduate high school or not.

Median weekly earnings (in dollars) and unemployment rate (in percent) by educational attainment, 2017

Educational attainment	Median usual weekly earnings	Unemployment rate
Note: Data are for persons age 25 and over. Earnings are for full-time wage and salary workers. Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current
Doctoral degree	$1,743	1.5%
Professional degree	1,836	1.5
Master's degree	1,401	2.2
Bachelor's degree	1,173	2.5
Associate degree	836	3.4
Some college, no degree	774	4.0
High school diploma, no college	712	4.6
Less than a high school diploma	520	6.5
Total	907	3.6

[Dashinka 24,513]

10 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Median weekly earnings (in dollars) and unemployment rate (in percent) by educational attainment, 2017

Educational attainment	Median usual weekly earnings	Unemployment rate
Note: Data are for persons age 25 and over. Earnings are for full-time wage and salary workers. Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current
Doctoral degree	$1,743	1.5%
Professional degree	1,836	1.5
Master's degree	1,401	2.2
Bachelor's degree	1,173	2.5
Associate degree	836	3.4
Some college, no degree	774	4.0
High school diploma, no college	712	4.6
Less than a high school diploma	520	6.5
Total	907	3.6

Seems pretty obvious based on the sizes of each category, but I suppose it looks good, but shouldn't a doctorate be closer to 0% unemployment?

[Mike E 11,739]

These income figures need to deduct the cost of education to earn those degrees.  And not just the tuition, room, and board, but the interest paid on the loans, and the opportunity cost that the loan payments imposed.  
 

Financially higher education doesn’t make senses. I believe  highly degreed workers with high debts become highly embittered and blame Reagan and Trump for their bad decisions.  
 

Financially becoming a medical doctor doesn’t work out for most.  Instead they could have gone to school for 2 years in a CC, 2 years in a state “directional” university, earned a computer science degree and cranked out code at Google or Amazon for $500,000 a year and no debt.  

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

9 minutes ago, Mike E said:

These income figures need to deduct the cost of education to earn those degrees.  And not just the tuition, room, and board, but the interest paid on the loans, and the opportunity cost that the loan payments imposed.  
 

Financially higher education doesn’t make senses. I believe  highly degreed workers with high debts become highly embittered and blame Reagan and Trump for their bad decisions.  
 

Financially becoming a medical doctor doesn’t work out for most.  Instead they could have gone to school for 2 years in a CC, 2 years in a state “directional” university, earned a computer science degree and cranked out code at Google or Amazon for $500,000 a year and no debt.  

I know IT, and I know very few coders making 500k, even when factoring in stocks options with startups.  Certain skills in AI and data science are hot now, but those are advanced degree or a bs with years of experience. I am not sure where you get your data from, you must not work in IT. 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Crtcl Rice Theory

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

9 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

I know IT, and I know very few coders making 500k, even when factoring in stocks options with startups.  Certain skills in AI and data science are hot now, but those are advanced degree or a bs with years of experience. I am not sure where you get your data from, you must not work in IT. 

 

 

 

I knew a guy that had advanced masters from Ga. Tech in IT. He made about 225K and that is a very elite degree. 

[Mike E 11,739]

34 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

I know IT,

Likewise. 
 

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and I know very few coders making 500k, even when factoring in stocks options with startups.

My knowledge differs from yours, but then again I don’t known what vague phrases like   “very few” mean
 

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Certain skills in AI and data science are hot now, but those are advanced degree or a bs with years of experience. I am not sure where you get your data from, you must not work in IT. 

Started off as a Unix kernel developer in 1985. Retired in 2021. Teamblind, levels.fyi are pretty accurate. They show average numbers. Some people aren’t average.  Anyone who can finish med / law school and pass residency / bar isn’t average. Software is  just code. 

 

I was once at a going away dinner for a coworker. At the dinner former coworkers from a company we both worked at were also there.  One of whom asserted that jobs in the valley earning $400K total compensation (TC) didn’t really exist and he interviewed outside to prove it.  I held my tongue as I knew the young lady going away with 5 years less experience was heading to a new job earning $600K total compensation.  
 

The high pay is there, but you have get the interview (she knew someone) and you have to prepare (which she did, bugging me every day for a month for a new algorithm or design problem to solve).  

Edited December 7, 2021 by Mike E

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

54 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I knew a guy that had advanced masters from Ga. Tech in IT. He made about 225K and that is a very elite degree. 

Yeah but Ga Tech. it's not like he went to U of Alabama or a real  skool.