Kamala Harris described as a ‘bully’ and ‘soul-destroying’ boss

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

As I have said before, women in my chosen professions have made exactly what men have made for the past 25+ years.  

 

And I would imagine that any woman who wanted to be a CEO could easily do so today.  Many have already.

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3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

As I have said before, women in my chosen professions have made exactly what men have made for the past 25+ years.  

 

And I would imagine that any woman who wanted to be a CEO could easily do so today.  Many have already.

I am sure Mary Barra is getting a reduced salary as compared to her male predecessors.

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10 hours ago, Boiler said:

 

Here is my problem with Peterson.

Resentment: either you are emotionally stunted ( and mostly focused on young men), get your stuff together, no argument there OR

You are feeling resentment because you are being subject to some injustice. and you need reassert yourself and reclaim what is yours, for your good and that of society and restore "the natural order". 

 

That is all well in good. But what if there is a third option: social constructs are invented and not natural.  Example from the 60s: Dad goes off to work, mom stays home and takes care of the kids and the meals and the...you get the picture. One day Mom has an epiphany: the kids are in school all day, what if I took a job on the side. had my own bank account, had my own car? There would be more not less for everyone including me.  

So Dad doesn't like it, but he goes along  figuring she will tire of this experiment.

Turns out: she thrives at work and loves it. She is finally putting that degree to work. We'll save the equal pay for equal work discussion for later, she is happy.

 

Naturally, things change at home. There is no June Cleaver with a cold martini waiting for Dad. Dinner is not from scratch but comes out of a freezer. The clothes aren't as pressed and lined up. He needs to take care of more things in the house and with the kids. "This is unfair, I never had to do any of those things before"  Dad wants this to stop and to return to the "natural order".  But the natural order is a myth, a construct invented for that society at that time. 

 

When a group people with the power have a set of rules that works for them, and the other party no longer wants to play by those rules, conflict ensues and inevitably the party that perceives they are loosing power think it is unjust. They invent all sorts of excuses about why things need to be restored, explain on behalf of the other party to "the deal" why that group is not interested in a seat at the table, a piece of the pie,  a vote, a living wage, good schools, clean water.  "Why should", the folks with power rationalize, " I give up my seat, my power, my money" for the other.  "They were perfectly happy before. Why can't these activists/intellectuals/carpetbaggers just go home and quit riling folks up"

 

The thing is, those feelings of resentment are rarely backed up by evidence and a whole industry of rewriting history is spun up to keep the status quo and ensure those with the power, feel comfortable keeping it. For my money Peterson is an extension of that industry. 

 

 

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I find it interesting from an observational point of view, thankfully not something I have had to deal with.

 

There are consequences, things that seem to be ignored but are definitely there. We all know most women when looking for a partner generally do not want to marry down, an interesting term. I have seen this happen to a friend, he has a good job but no degree so that seems to have knocked him out of most ladies consideration.

 

So if we are going to have equality it needs to work both ways, the way things seem to be going just does not add up.

 

My local Doctor is a lady, and that seems to be a much more female dominated industry. Now using this area for example to get the same number of years Doctoring you need more qualified women that you do men, obviously it is possible to ramp up the numbers but wonder if it has been factored in.

 

I grew up at a time when many thought you had to be a woman to be Prime Minister, always had a Queen not a King so perhaps a different perspective.

 

Anyway the pay gap is predominantly a myth, is there something at the margin, most likely, but I can see it goes both ways. Female Models for example seems to be paid more than Males but that does not seem an issue. 

 

I am more intrigued as to the societal effects, I know if I was 20 again I would be looking at things very differently.

 

Leaving things on a positive note it can only be good news for VJ.

[B_J 2,752]

13 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

 And I would imagine that any woman who wanted to be a CEO could easily do so today.  Many have already.

I have to, sort of, disagree.  I don't think anybody could easily be a CEO.  Kind of like what Peterson says about becoming a CEO, "why would anybody want to do that?"  You have to be a really obsessive type of individual to work your way up to becoming CEO.  You have to sacrifice so many other aspects of life, including family, in order to achieve that.  Women are just as capable as men of achieving this, but it definitely won't be easy.  But it isn't easy for men either.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

7 hours ago, B_J said:

I have to, sort of, disagree.  I don't think anybody could easily be a CEO.  Kind of like what Peterson says about becoming a CEO, "why would anybody want to do that?"  You have to be a really obsessive type of individual to work your way up to becoming CEO.  You have to sacrifice so many other aspects of life, including family, in order to achieve that.  Women are just as capable as men of achieving this, but it definitely won't be easy.  But it isn't easy for men either.

But you're not really disagreeing with me that women can "do it too".  The same as men can.  Now, whether or not they CHOOSE to do it is another matter altogether.  The fact is, they have the opportunity to do so if they choose.  

Nancy Pelosi makes $220,000 a year.  Chuck Schumer makes $193,400 per year.  Equality?

Also of note, Schumer has been doing it most of his life and his net worth is $900,000.  Pelosi has a net worth of about 133 times that, or $120 million.  

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9 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

But you're not really disagreeing with me that women can "do it too".  The same as men can.  Now, whether or not they CHOOSE to do it is another matter altogether.  The fact is, they have the opportunity to do so if they choose.  

Nancy Pelosi makes $220,000 a year.  Chuck Schumer makes $193,400 per year.  Equality?

Also of note, Schumer has been doing it most of his life and his net worth is $900,000.  Pelosi has a net worth of about 133 times that, or $120 million.  

Wait, what happened to equity?

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11 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

But you're not really disagreeing with me that women can "do it too".  The same as men can.  Now, whether or not they CHOOSE to do it is another matter altogether.  The fact is, they have the opportunity to do so if they choose.  

Yeah, there really isn't any disagreement with your overall point, just with the word "easily".  

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33 minutes ago, B_J said:

Yeah, there really isn't any disagreement with your overall point, just with the word "easily".  

I agree, man or woman, nothing easy about becoming the CEO or some other high level manager.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

14 hours ago, B_J said:

Yeah, there really isn't any disagreement with your overall point, just with the word "easily".  

We are in agreement about it all.  Being a CEO is not easy regardless which of the (55? 72? 114?) genders one claims to be.  It is a brutal job, period.