9 Antivax lies to watch out for this holiday season

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I was not arguing as to the efficacy of the vaccine related to reducing the severity of those that are vaccinated.  The discussion was around the ability of those vaccinated catching and spreading Covid.  The study that was referenced (link below) done in the Netherlands was trying to understand if those vaccinated were the source of continued spread.  My main comment was that this study was done back in Aug-Sept 2021 when the Netherlands was in a post spike period (Figure 1).  Since then, the raw number of cases (which was part of their study) have doubled relative to the worst spike the Netherlands have encountered even with 75% of the population fully vaccinated.  My question is will these authors go back and revise their study given the newer data.  It really seems like the study was done with a conclusion already in mind and they were trying to fit the data to match their conclusion.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1.full

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

 

 

With 30% of the population still without 1 dose, how can looking at an entire country prove where the spike came from?  

 

As per your Dutch study

 

"Our results indicate that vaccination confers protection against onward transmission from vaccinated index cases, albeit somewhat less for Delta than for Alpha. Vaccine effectiveness against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts is stronger than to vaccinated household contacts, with the latter already largely protected from infection, and especially from severe disease, by their own vaccine-induced immunity, but differences in risk behavior may also play a role. Possible waning of vaccine effectiveness against infection and against onward transmission could result in increases in SARS-CoV-2 circulation among populations with high vaccine coverage. As full vaccination remains highly effective in preventing severe disease, also for Delta, a high vaccination coverage remains the key to control the COVID-19 pandemic [10]."

 

[Neonred 3,514]

50 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Trust me the adjustment phase would have been played to the max as I assume it is in most cases. Once I got her trained all was fine 😁

Yep, know what you mean.  Once my wife got me trained all was fine here also.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

2 minutes ago, Neonred said:

Yep, know what you mean.  Once my wife got me trained all was fine here also.

Obviously you know the truth 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

4 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I remember that guy . I reported him and physically threatened him for calling a friend of mine a war criminal. 

 

Yes interfering with enjoyment of the forum is a kind of catch all Tos violation as are personal insults all of which are open to interpretation.  Not nearly as cut and dried as things like shell accounts and doxing people on social media for things that happen here. 

Why do you dox people on social media?  That seems rather a rather strange technique?

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

14 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Interesting study, I wonder if the authors will go back and revise this study based on the case numbers in the Netherlands since mid-September?

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

This is perplexing...

 

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/judge-allen-winsor-pfizer-eua-comirnaty-vaccines-interchangeable/?itm_term=home

[TBoneTX 44,669]

2 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

This is perplexing...

 

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/judge-allen-winsor-pfizer-eua-comirnaty-vaccines-interchangeable/?itm_term=home

Not sure that the article clarified much.

I posted something similar some weeks ago, which drew few or no comments.

In addition, the name "Comirnaty" is stupid, difficult, and revolting.

[Dashinka 24,109]

11 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

This is perplexing...

 

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/judge-allen-winsor-pfizer-eua-comirnaty-vaccines-interchangeable/?itm_term=home

Hmm, this seems logical, and one does not even have to be a lawyer to understand it.

 

There are key differences between fully licensed vaccines and those authorized under EUA. EUA products are considered experimental under U.S. law. This means they cannot be mandated, and everyone has the right to refuse such vaccines without consequences.

[TBoneTX 44,669]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

everyone has the right to refuse such vaccines without consequences.

Just try that and see what happens.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

On 11/30/2021 at 3:25 PM, Lemonslice said:

Follow the red arrows

 

Vaccination Certificate

Targeting disease COVID-19

Vaccine Medicinal Product Comirnaty

 

 

Hey @Lemonslice, can you re-post the image again please?  And what health facility you received it from?  Our attorney would like to see it.

Called three pharmacies around me today, asking if they have Comirnaty in stock.  One pharmacist didn't know what it was, but when I specified "the FDA-approved drug", she said, oh yes, we have Pfizer.  I said no, not the EUA BioNTech drug called Pfizer, but actual Comirnaty, as in on the label.  Nope, none have it yet.
 

 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

6 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Hmm, this seems logical, and one does not even have to be a lawyer to understand it.

 

There are key differences between fully licensed vaccines and those authorized under EUA. EUA products are considered experimental under U.S. law. This means they cannot be mandated, and everyone has the right to refuse such vaccines without consequences.

Facts.  They matter, eh?

[jg121783 3,908]

7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Hey @Lemonslice, can you re-post the image again please?  And what health facility you received it from?  Our attorney would like to see it.

Called three pharmacies around me today, asking if they have Comirnaty in stock.  One pharmacist didn't know what it was, but when I specified "the FDA-approved drug", she said, oh yes, we have Pfizer.  I said no, not the EUA BioNTech drug called Pfizer, but actual Comirnaty, as in on the label.  Nope, none have it yet.
 

 

If the FDA version is actually available to the public it certainly isn't widely available. They sure like to throw around the phrase "FDA approved" even though the FDA approved version isn't widely available if it's available at all. Not saying this is for sure the case but it isn't too difficult to photoshop the document that was presented as evidence that the FDA approved shot is available.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

8 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

If the FDA version is actually available to the public it certainly isn't widely available. They sure like to throw around the phrase "FDA approved" even though the FDA approved version isn't widely available if it's available at all. Not saying this is for sure the case but it isn't too difficult to photoshop the document that was presented as evidence that the FDA approved shot is available.

This is why my attorney wants the pic as well as the name of the facility claiming to have Comirnaty.  Might play a part in an upcoming lawsuit.  

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

2 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Hey @Lemonslice, can you re-post the image again please?  And what health facility you received it from?  Our attorney would like to see it.

Called three pharmacies around me today, asking if they have Comirnaty in stock.  One pharmacist didn't know what it was, but when I specified "the FDA-approved drug", she said, oh yes, we have Pfizer.  I said no, not the EUA BioNTech drug called Pfizer, but actual Comirnaty, as in on the label.  Nope, none have it yet.
 

 

Why should he share private medical details with your lawyer? 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

34 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Why should he share private medical details with your lawyer? 

Well, there was no private medical details in the original SS.  But since you asked, for the same reason (s)he shared it with us in the first place.  Obviously has nothing to hide, just pointing out that Comirnaty is available, right?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

Yall ever watch groundhog day