9 Antivax lies to watch out for this holiday season

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Not really sure where you are getting all the information as to The Netherlands.  Do you have a link to back up all the numbers?  Regardless, that was my point, the study I was referencing from the other post left out a lot of confounding variables and seemed to conclude the vaccine was working.  Of course that was when the cases in the Netherlands were at their lowest in months and the overall vaccine rate was greater than 75%, 30-60 days later the Netherlands is having its worst spike since this whole thing began, so clearly there is spread going on with those vaccinated.

No doubt the vaccine is not working quite as well as hoped but still 70% ICU no vaccine is a telling number.  I was just glancing thru some articles while mediating in the room of meditation  this AM getting ready. The link you posted was raw data which is never fully conclusive, unless I looked at it wrong.  If anybody else wants to dig deeper please do. As I noted the Netherlands 3rd jab number is very low. Honestly I don't remember the articles I was browsing,  I was only 1/2 a cup of coffee in

[Dashinka 24,726]

9 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

No doubt the vaccine is not working quite as well as hoped but still 70% ICU no vaccine is a telling number.  I was just glancing thru some articles while mediating in the room of meditation  this AM getting ready. The link you posted was raw data which is never fully conclusive, unless I looked at it wrong.  If anybody else wants to dig deeper please do. As I noted the Netherlands 3rd jab number is very low. Honestly I don't remember the articles I was browsing,  I was only 1/2 a cup of coffee in

I was not arguing as to the efficacy of the vaccine related to reducing the severity of those that are vaccinated.  The discussion was around the ability of those vaccinated catching and spreading Covid.  The study that was referenced (link below) done in the Netherlands was trying to understand if those vaccinated were the source of continued spread.  My main comment was that this study was done back in Aug-Sept 2021 when the Netherlands was in a post spike period (Figure 1).  Since then, the raw number of cases (which was part of their study) have doubled relative to the worst spike the Netherlands have encountered even with 75% of the population fully vaccinated.  My question is will these authors go back and revise their study given the newer data.  It really seems like the study was done with a conclusion already in mind and they were trying to fit the data to match their conclusion.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1.full

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

 

 

[Ban Hammer 13,481]

8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

And rhododendron status?   

that can be found next to NB's dictionary.

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

18 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I was not arguing as to the efficacy of the vaccine related to reducing the severity of those that are vaccinated.  The discussion was around the ability of those vaccinated catching and spreading Covid.  The study that was referenced (link below) done in the Netherlands was trying to understand if those vaccinated were the source of continued spread.  My main comment was that this study was done back in Aug-Sept 2021 when the Netherlands was in a post spike period (Figure 1).  Since then, the raw number of cases (which was part of their study) have doubled relative to the worst spike the Netherlands have encountered even with 75% of the population fully vaccinated.  My question is will these authors go back and revise their study given the newer data.  It really seems like the study was done with a conclusion already in mind and they were trying to fit the data to match their conclusion.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1.full

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/

 

 

I think we have all agreed here that vaccinated can spread the virus. I think that is pretty much settled science.  Almost any organism that can live outside it's host can be spread by contact aerosol etc etc regardless if the host is infected. Viruses like aids however that can survive only briefly outside the host not so much .

 

The only thing I will add is the vaccinated may spread it less frequently since there is less chance to be infected for a period of time.

 

Bottom line I think we may have said about the same thing, although you much more eloquently  

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

11 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Well technically you have seen me. My avatar is a favorite from our wedding photos, but you cannot tell much about me from that.

I just booked myself the superboost extravaganza magical pew pew for next week. May the power of Pfizer flow through us all.

 

Aww very sweet! I'm too shy to post closeups I'm afraid.

I had no idea that was a real picture. I did zoom in on it and it appears you are much younger than I had guessed. 20 something from the looks of the picture ?

[Dashinka 24,726]

6 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I think we have all agreed here that vaccinated can spread the virus. I think that is pretty much settled science.  Almost any organism that can live outside it's host can be spread by contact aerosol etc etc regardless if the host is infected. Viruses like aids however that can survive only briefly outside the host not so much .

 

The only thing I will add is the vaccinated may spread it less frequently since there is less chance to be infected for a period of time.

 

Bottom line I think we may have said about the same thing, although you much more eloquently  

What, no ageist comments?  

[Ban Hammer 13,481]

18 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Bottom line I think we may have said about the same thing, although you much more eloquently  

that's not a very high bar.....................   

[yuna628 9,700]

51 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I had no idea that was a real picture. I did zoom in on it and it appears you are much younger than I had guessed. 20 something from the looks of the picture ?

LOL! I think I'll clear up this matter in a PM. 😉

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

that's not a very high bar.....................   

On that we can agree. I almost said that

[TBoneTX 45,910]

As long as the bar can still be bellied-up to, all is well.

[Neonred 3,628]

16 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I may regret this but like I said. Zero hecks given

 

 

Now there is a cute couple.

 

Trying to remember which season of 90 day fiance they were on.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

On 11/29/2021 at 9:02 PM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Not sure how old Yunna is, but guessing at least 40 is.h. Let's say she is 45. If you have lost 45 friends to training accidents and 5 friends to reactions to the covid vaccine, all I can conclude is that statically it's very bad luck to be your friend 

This very thinly veiled insult reminds me of the time we had some jerk here in VJ accuse a former military member of being a murderer or baby killer or something.  Thankfully, the mods weren't very tolerant with that particular jerk who happened to be guilty of interfering with others' enjoyment of the forum.

But since you brought it up, yes, the military can be tough on those who serve.  While accidents are considered "an acceptable cost", it certainly doesn't lessen the loss that their friends and family suffer.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 minute ago, LIBrty4all said:

This very thinly veiled insult reminds me of the time we had some jerk here in VJ accuse a former military member of being a murderer or baby killer or something.  Thankfully, the mods weren't very tolerant with that particular jerk who happened to be guilty of interfering with others' enjoyment of the forum.

But since you brought it up, yes, the military can be tough on those who serve.  While accidents are considered "an acceptable cost", it certainly doesn't lessen the loss that their friends and family suffer.

I remember that guy . I reported him and physically threatened him for calling a friend of mine a war criminal. 

 

Yes interfering with enjoyment of the forum is a kind of catch all Tos violation as are personal insults all of which are open to interpretation.  Not nearly as cut and dried as things like shell accounts and doxing people on social media for things that happen here. 

[TBoneTX 45,910]

The implicated post was not an insult.  It's proper to report these and not talk about them in the open forum.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

4 hours ago, Neonred said:

Now there is a cute couple.

 

Trying to remember which season of 90 day fiance they were on.

Trust me the adjustment phase would have been played to the max as I assume it is in most cases. Once I got her trained all was fine 😁