Establishing Domicile: applying for a social security number?

[kirilllazebnik 5]

Hi,

 

In the official guidance on "Establishing U.S. Domicile", an example of a concrete step that the petitioner may take is "Applying for a social security number". This is confusing to me: wouldn't pretty much everyone who has lived in the U.S. at any point in their life have a SSN already? Certainly you need an SSN to work in the U.S. for example... 

[dwheels76 5,469]

12 minutes ago, kirilllazebnik said:

Hi,

 

In the official guidance on "Establishing U.S. Domicile", an example of a concrete step that the petitioner may take is "Applying for a social security number". This is confusing to me: wouldn't pretty much everyone who has lived in the U.S. at any point in their life have a SSN already? Certainly you need an SSN to work in the U.S. for example... 

Not understanding your question. No not everyone living in US has SSN. Only Legal resident "Officially" suppose to have SSN. Maybe many reasons why a Petitioner doesn't have a SSN although rare. But you would be surprised.

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There are lots of new residents.

[kirilllazebnik 5]

6 minutes ago, dwheels76 said:

Not understanding your question. No not everyone living in US has SSN. Only Legal resident "Officially" suppose to have SSN. Maybe many reasons why a Petitioner doesn't have a SSN although rare. But you would be surprised.

I'm just worried I have misunderstood something. It seems like a rather exceptional case that a U.S. citizen would not have a SSN, since it's required for work, filing taxes, often health insurance... They only give a few examples of concrete steps for establishing domicile so it seems strange that one example is one which does not apply to 95% of cases. 

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13 minutes ago, kirilllazebnik said:

I'm just worried I have misunderstood something. It seems like a rather exceptional case that a U.S. citizen would not have a SSN, since it's required for work, filing taxes, often health insurance... They only give a few examples of concrete steps for establishing domicile so it seems strange that one example is one which does not apply to 95% of cases. 

Having a SSN is not a good indicator of US domicile.  Rather, documentation show that a person actually lives in the US, or intends to live in the US are more concrete:

 

Drivers License

Utility bills

Voting Records

Real Estate documents

other documents showing actual or intended living in the US.

[dwheels76 5,469]

5 hours ago, kirilllazebnik said:

I'm just worried I have misunderstood something. It seems like a rather exceptional case that a U.S. citizen would not have a SSN, since it's required for work, filing taxes, often health insurance... They only give a few examples of concrete steps for establishing domicile so it seems strange that one example is one which does not apply to 95% of cases. 

Refugees, People seeking asylum, TEP. People are in US for various reasons May I ask why would you be worried? If it doesn't apply to you it doesn't apply to you. Many people truly have no reason for s SS#. They may not work, They pay cash for everything need no credit. That's their busy.

There are probably 100's of thousands of people working in this country working on others SS#. Please don;t assume just because someone is working means one they are legally doing it or has their own SS#.
Not understanding you why you worried. Who cares if it applies to 1 or a million there are obviously people in this situation. Look at all the afghans we have brought over in the last few months many have green cards but no SSN.These type situations apply to them.
Look at all the children brought to this country illegally and undocumented enrolled in school no SS#. Now they are adults and want to do things right, You get now the reasoning behind what is said in the document.
 

 

[dwheels76 5,469]

5 hours ago, kirilllazebnik said:

I'm just worried I have misunderstood something. It seems like a rather exceptional case that a U.S. citizen would not have a SSN, since it's required for work, filing taxes, often health insurance... They only give a few examples of concrete steps for establishing domicile so it seems strange that one example is one which does not apply to 95% of cases. 

Also this has nothing to do with US Citizens not having a SS# no one there does it mention that.

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7 hours ago, kirilllazebnik said:

Hi,

 

In the official guidance on "Establishing U.S. Domicile", an example of a concrete step that the petitioner may take is "Applying for a social security number". This is confusing to me: wouldn't pretty much everyone who has lived in the U.S. at any point in their life have a SSN already? Certainly you need an SSN to work in the U.S. for example... 

Have a look around the forum. Some US citizens were not born in the USA, have dual citizenship and live in their country of birth with that documentation.

I believe you need to apply for a SSN separate to the Consular Report of Birth Abroad.  And parents might not apply for an SSN for any number of reasons. 

If applying for an SSN doesn't apply to you, disregard that piece of evidence.

But, if someone did not yet obtain their SSN they'd be able move on to the other domicile steps mentioned once they acquire one. 

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Kor2USA