Joint Sponsor Qualification

[arken 4,197]

1 minute ago, Mike E said:

There are Consular Officers in USA embassies and consulates who are not citizens of the USA?

 

I am surprised.  That’s a massive national Security risk.  

You beat me on this, was typing the same. I'd assume all COs be american not necessarily birth wise.

[Chancy 6,241]

*** Moved from IR1/CR1 Progress Reports to IR1/CR1 Process & Procedures ***

 

[Chancy 6,241]

2 hours ago, Mike E said:

There are Consular Officers in USA embassies and consulates who are not citizens of the USA?

 

US citizenship is a requirement for becoming a CO.  Check here under Eligibility Requirements -- https://careers.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Becoming-a-Foreign-Service-Officer-Specialist.pdf

 

[JeanneAdil 6,498]

5 hours ago, Mike E said:

There are Consular Officers in USA embassies and consulates who are not citizens of the USA?

 

I am surprised.  That’s a massive national Security risk.  

Morocco hires both

Adil's 1st interviewer was Moroccan and the 2nd one American

 

i think the Moroccan can be harder on the person than an American

as this woman said to him "what's wrong with marrying a Moroccan woman?"   before interview started

[SalishSea 17,828]

The state department hires local workers for some positions in consulates.  "Consular Officers,' i.e. those who adjudicate visa applications and sign their name to decisions, must be US citizens.

[JeanneAdil 6,498]

29 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

The state department hires local workers for some positions in consulates.  "Consular Officers,' i.e. those who adjudicate visa applications and sign their name to decisions, must be US citizens.

True the Moroccan woman interviewed and then called a woman (I assume American ) in to sign the papers and interview was over

but even when the Middle Aged American interviewed for the approval ,  he called someone in to also sign the papers (Adil assumed a supervisor)

 

Sorry didn't mean to go off subject on the poster 

[dwheels76 5,468]

8 hours ago, arken said:

You beat me on this, was typing the same. I'd assume all COs be american not necessarily birth wise.

This is the reason why Putin said get out and Moscow embassy closed down because we would not hire foreign nationals from there only US Citizens. Most places have a little of both.

[jan22 3,053]

On 11/16/2021 at 4:44 PM, dwheels76 said:

This is the reason why Putin said get out and Moscow embassy closed down because we would not hire foreign nationals from there only US Citizens. Most places have a little of both.

While there is a mixture of local staff and US staff, all adjudication decisions are made by an US citizen officer.  Local staff assists with the clerical side of the process, helps the US officers with understanding local/cultural issues, assists in interactions with host country government offices, provides language assistance when needed, etc.

 

It was, BTW, a Russian decision to prohibit the employment of most local staff members, not the US saying we wouldn't hire them.  It is cost-prohibitive to send US citizens to fill all of the support positions -- plus, it would lose the valuable knowledge of the culture, language, etc., that the staff provides.

Edited November 18, 2021 by jan22

[Transcom123 10]

1 minute ago, jan22 said:

While there is a mixture of local staff and US staff, all adjudication decisions are made by an US citizen officer.  Local staff assists with the clerical side of the process, helps the US officers with understanding local/cultural issues, assists in interactions with host country government offices, provides language assistance when needed, etc.

 

It was, BTW, a Russian decision to prohibit the employment of most local staff members, not the US saying we wouldn't hire them.  It is cost-prohibitive to send US citizens to fill all of the support positions -- plus, it would lose the valuable knowledge of the culture, language, etc., that the staff provides.

Hello any further answer for my main questions 

On 11/16/2021 at 11:44 PM, dwheels76 said:

This is the reason why Putin said get out and Moscow embassy closed down because we would not hire foreign nationals from there only US Citizens. Most places have a little of both.

Hello any further answer for my main questions 

On 11/16/2021 at 10:28 PM, JeanneAdil said:

True the Moroccan woman interviewed and then called a woman (I assume American ) in to sign the papers and interview was over

but even when the Middle Aged American interviewed for the approval ,  he called someone in to also sign the papers (Adil assumed a supervisor)

 

Sorry didn't mean to go off subject on the poster 

Hello any further answer for my main questions 

On 11/16/2021 at 9:56 PM, Jorgedig said:

The state department hires local workers for some positions in consulates.  "Consular Officers,' i.e. those who adjudicate visa applications and sign their name to decisions, must be US citizens.

Hello any further answer for my main questions 

[jan22 3,053]

There is no way for anyone to tell you with complete assurance that you and/or your joint sponsor will satisfy the consular officer at the interview.  There are too many variables that we can't know about your and the joint sponsor's situations.  For example, you haven't said what your relationship is to the joint sponsor, merely that he is a "business owner".  We, therefore, cannot predict whether the officer will find him credible (i.e., that he would really provide financial assistance to you if needed).  If it's a close family member, maybe.  If it's a "friend", maybe not. 

 

The best you can do is just gather the required supporting documents needed for you and the joint sponsor.  If the consular officer does not accept them, you will have a chance to provide additional information or told to find a new joint sponsor.

Edited November 19, 2021 by jan22

[pushbrk 12,882]

On 11/16/2021 at 8:30 PM, Transcom123 said:

Hello Guys

 

1- My wife didn't meet the required income on 2020 ( AGI on her Tax transcripts for ( 2020 and 2019)

 

2- My wife 's  (Primary sponsor )  current income is above the required income for 2021 26k for two persons ( me and her )  , and we submitted a employment letterhead with some paysubs.

 

3- To be safe we are using a joint sponsor ( a business owner ( S corporation) his 2020 AGID is 42 k.125 whihc is above the required income for 5 persons 38k and his currenct income is 42k for 2021

we submitted his business licence+registration + 3 most tax transcripts+ bank statements for the previous 6 months + his 3 most recents business tax transcripts+ + his i864

 

4- my joint sponsor filled married jointly with his wife ( unemployed ) but we submitted her i864a

 

Q: do you think guys that my joint sponsor is qualified to sponsor me ? 

Q : could the CO ask me to find another joint sponsor ?

 

 Thanks for the replies

1.  So what?  What is her current annual income?

 

2.  What is her current annual income?

 

3.  Is not a question

 

4.  a.  It's marginal  b.  Yes

 

All that said, it may well be you don't need a joint sponsor at all.  You mention her AGI from tax returns.  Unless she files the 1040EZ version, that's the wrong number.  Use "Total Income".  Note that sometimes total income and AGI are the same number but still it's Total Income that gets entered and evaluated.  Remember that tax returns are about the past.  Current income is King here.

[Transcom123 10]

13 hours ago, jan22 said:

There is no way for anyone to tell you with complete assurance that you and/or your joint sponsor will satisfy the consular officer at the interview.  There are too many variables that we can't know about your and the joint sponsor's situations.  For example, you haven't said what your relationship is to the joint sponsor, merely that he is a "business owner".  We, therefore, cannot predict whether the officer will find him credible (i.e., that he would really provide financial assistance to you if needed).  If it's a close family member, maybe.  If it's a "friend", maybe not. 

 

The best you can do is just gather the required supporting documents needed for you and the joint sponsor.  If the consular officer does not accept them, you will have a chance to provide additional information or told to find a new joint sponsor.

The Joint sponsor is my wife's boss and family friend

[Transcom123 10]

10 hours ago, pushbrk said:

1.  So what?  What is her current annual income?

 

2.  What is her current annual income?

 

3.  Is not a question

 

4.  a.  It's marginal  b.  Yes

 

All that said, it may well be you don't need a joint sponsor at all.  You mention her AGI from tax returns.  Unless she files the 1040EZ version, that's the wrong number.  Use "Total Income".  Note that sometimes total income and AGI are the same number but still it's Total Income that gets entered and evaluated.  Remember that tax returns are about the past.  Current income is King here.

1-26k for two househols ( me and her )

2-26k

3- Wanna make sure if was the correct submitted docs ?

4-a i dont know

4-b why he whould ask if its above the required income ?

[Transcom123 10]

Just now, Transcom123 said:

All that said, it may well be you don't need a joint sponsor at all.  You mention her AGI from tax returns.  Unless she files the 1040EZ version, that's the wrong number.  Use "Total Income".  Note that sometimes total income and AGI are the same number but still it's Total Income that gets entered and evaluated.  Remember that tax returns are about the past.  Current income is King here.

I Used her tax trascripts for her AGI which is 8k that isnt enough

now she is making 26k as a current income

[Mike E 11,739]

If you are seeking a definitive answer today, then I say the case won’t be approved without a different joint sponsor who earns more money as an employer person (versus self employed).  
 

But every shot shot you don’t take doesn’t score.