F1 Rejection

[FrankEPatrick 1]

Any advice about demonstrating that there is a residence in a foreign country that the applicant has no intention of abandoning? 

 

I know someones whose F-1 visa application was rejected and wondering if someone had any advice  for a reapply

 

 

[canadian_wife 1,824]

You cannot provide evidence you do not have.

 

What was shown at the original interview?

 

Good luck 

[Crazy Cat 41,985]

37 minutes ago, FrankEPatrick said:

Any advice about demonstrating that there is a residence in a foreign country that the applicant has no intention of abandoning? 

 

I know someones whose F-1 visa application was rejected and wondering if someone had any advice  for a reapply

 

 

Documentable evidence that the applicant will return to home country after the F-1.  If the applicant has close relationships in the US, this might be an obstacle too high to overcome.  

[FrankEPatrick 1]

Agreed that the issue is close relationships in the US, and also closer relationships in the home country also exist.

Agreed that it may be too high of an obstacle to overcome, just wondering if anyone over came the obstacle. 

 

The school allowed family based support in the I-20 process for the F-1 so it was curious that the Visa was out right rejected at the interview. I was not there so I do not know what was said to the interviewer. 

 

No evidence was provided in the packet regarding the intention to return to the country. 

What was shown at the interview was the I-20. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by FrankEPatrick

[Coco8 1,042]

Weight is given to where this person wants to study and what. If the candidate is going to an unknown university or worse, a community college, or their plan of study makes no sense, then they are not going to get the F1 one. 

 

Let's say this person got into Harvard and has a lot of family that immigrated to the US. They are going to get the F1 because they got into Harvard and they show evidence that they can pay or they have scholarships.

 

If this person is saying they are studying something they could study at home and they are going to a community college or a very bad university or a university that's basically in the same town as people he/she knows in the US, then there is no chance of an F1. 

 

I'd recommend this person to try to apply for scholarships or work on the application.

 

On this, I did not provide any evidence on return to country when I got an F1 visa. But it was graduate school, I got into several top 10 programs, and had received full scholarship + fellowship from the university, so I was basically not paying anything and got paid a monthly stipend. Thus, it's clear that I wasn't doing this for immigration purposes. 

 

4 hours ago, FrankEPatrick said:

No evidence was provided in the packet regarding the intention to return to the country. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Coco8

[FrankEPatrick 1]

understand your point, but the community college in question advertises in their materials that it is ok just to come and study english, and publicize that family support can be used in figuring the support figures, and I see alot of foreign students at the CC under this plan.

She applied for technical training. 

 

Now that I have more info, there was a letter from an employer that stated a job was contingently waiting if she successfully finished the training program at the CC. 

 

Similarly back in the early 2000's I know a Polish girl that was in this exact situation with the CCs and it was absolutely no problem with the F1. 

 

but times change and things change

[Coco8 1,042]

20 minutes ago, FrankEPatrick said:

understand your point, but the community college in question advertises in their materials that it is ok just to come and study english, and publicize that family support can be used in figuring the support figures, and I see alot of foreign students at the CC under this plan.

She applied for technical training. 

 

Now that I have more info, there was a letter from an employer that stated a job was contingently waiting if she successfully finished the training program at the CC. 

 

Similarly back in the early 2000's I know a Polish girl that was in this exact situation with the CCs and it was absolutely no problem with the F1. 

 

but times change and things change

 

Community colleges can advertise whatever they want, because they want to make money.

 

If someone from a well off family that lives in country X wants to study English, they could get the visa approved. If someone with half of their family in the US from country Y, which is a country that regularly denies people B1/B2 visas, wants to study English at a community college, they will likely get denied. 

 

Also, your friend from Poland, you said "early 2000"; visas only got harder to get over time. 

 

Even with no data, I can tell you that getting an F1 for a community college is going to be much harder than for a university. 

[arken 4,197]

5 hours ago, FrankEPatrick said:

was not there so I do not know what was said to the interviewer. 

If you are inquiring about the resolution about the denied interview, at least get info on the actual conversation that happened between them. 
 

Having said that, as already said, it all depends on the person, the university, and the CO. Some may not ask for anything evidences, just ask why you want to study that in that univ?, who's paying for it? That's it and visa approved. Some will ask for bank statements and such from whoever is paying and still deny the visa.

 

Trying to get into community college for some training course and having a job offer after completing the course is not a good path to get a student visa.

[Rocio0010 5,580]

I can only speak about my experience. Maybe it helps. When I applied for my F1, I came to my interview with a document from my host university (I believe it was the i-20?) and I also presented ties to my home country, such as the deed to my property. I don't recall bringing anything else onto my interview. I was asked just three questions, such as "what is your master's on?" and "where is your host university?". The rest was just small talk. Very easy.

[retheem 568]

33 minutes ago, arken said:

If you are inquiring about the resolution about the denied interview, at least get info on the actual conversation that happened between them. 
 

Having said that, as already said, it all depends on the person, the university, and the CO. Some may not ask for anything evidences, just ask why you want to study that in that univ?, who's paying for it? That's it and visa approved. Some will ask for bank statements and such from whoever is paying and still deny the visa.

 

Trying to get into community college for some training course and having a job offer after completing the course is not a good path to get a student visa.

They still give visas to come to community college? Thought that ship capsized way back before even facebook was born

[SalishSea 17,981]

9 hours ago, FrankEPatrick said:

Agreed that the issue is close relationships in the US, and also closer relationships in the home country also exist.

Agreed that it may be too high of an obstacle to overcome, just wondering if anyone over came the obstacle. 

 

The school allowed family based support in the I-20 process for the F-1 so it was curious that the Visa was out right rejected at the interview. I was not there so I do not know what was said to the interviewer. 

 

No evidence was provided in the packet regarding the intention to return to the country. 

What was shown at the interview was the I-20. 

It’s not curious at all.   
 

Don’t conflate the community college admission practices with US immigration policy.   Totally separate entities and processes.

[FrankEPatrick 1]

thanks talking about the I-20 process

[mari04 100]

I had no problem getting F1 visa. In fact, IO even told me how I should convert it into the GC, eventually. I had close family in US that petitioned my parents at that time and it was on the record in the embassy. However, it was UCLA, I had full scholarship, and it was some time ago. 

[Rocio0010 5,580]

1 hour ago, mari04 said:

I had no problem getting F1 visa. In fact, IO even told me how I should convert it into the GC, eventually. I had close family in US that petitioned my parents at that time and it was on the record in the embassy. However, it was UCLA, I had full scholarship, and it was some time ago. 

Same here, I even remember having a binder with documentation showing strong ties to my home country and IO didn’t even want to look at it. I guess in my case what helped was that I already had had a J1 before, and had fulfilled the two year home - residency requirement. It was a masters degree at a well- known university, and I had no family here. 

[Gomast 65]

1 hour ago, ra0010 said:

Same here, I even remember having a binder with documentation showing strong ties to my home country and IO didn’t even want to look at it. I guess in my case what helped was that I already had had a J1 before, and had fulfilled the two year home - residency requirement. It was a masters degree at a well- known university, and I had no family here. 

Same here. I had my parents living in the US. I moved with my wife and kids for masters degree. Applied for F-1. The university’s international students office took care of the I-20 and the rest of the paperwork. I was not required to show strong ties to my home country. It was much easier than applying for a B-1/B-2.