TDAP Vaccine Booster for AOS

[K1visaHopeful 2,858]

Your visa was issued before Oct 1st.

Does not apply to you.

[Yu1988 3]

7 hours ago, Wuozopo said:

You were “complete for AOS” on the date of your medical exam according to the requirements valid on that date. Since you were signed off as complete by your panel physician, you are done despite new rules put in place at a later date.  
 

If you went to a Civil Surgeon for an I-693 now, you would have to meet today’s requirements (Covid) and it would supersede your previous report, so go with what you have which is valid.

Thanks for your advice! We are not going to go to a Civil Surgeon for an I-693 now, and will submit a photocopy of the complete DS3025 we have with I485.

[Rebecca95 1]

Currently in the doctors office of the civil surgeon. There seems to be a problem and she thinks my whole visa could potentially be rejected because she’s experienced this and claims that I’d need to have the whole exam all over again in order for her to sign the appropriate sections, even though there’s a part in the instructions stating that she can just do the vaccine I require. She’s still going to vaccinate me and give me proof but she’s worried it won’t be enough for the USCIS as she didn’t do an exam on me even though I already had one in London. 
 

We were told on the phone that the civil surgeon would do just my shot which is why we booked the appointment, and now things suddenly seem to be different. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Rebecca95

[arken 4,197]

On 11/8/2021 at 5:08 PM, Yu1988 said:

Thanks for your advice! We are not going to go to a Civil Surgeon for an I-693 now, and will submit a photocopy of the complete DS3025 we have with I485.

What happened to this then?

 

1 hour ago, Rebecca95 said:

Currently in the doctors office of the civil surgeon. There seems to be a problem and she thinks my whole visa could potentially be rejected because she’s experienced this and claims that I’d need to have the whole exam all over again in order for her to sign the appropriate sections, even though there’s a part in the instructions stating that she can just do the vaccine I require. She’s still going to vaccinate me and give me proof but she’s worried it won’t be enough for the USCIS as she didn’t do an exam on me even though I already had one in London. 
 

We were told on the phone that the civil surgeon would do just my shot which is why we booked the appointment, and now things suddenly seem to be different. 

Are you trying to send i693 even though it is not required in your case or just trying to get shots just for the why not thing.

Edited November 9, 2021 by arken

[Rebecca95 1]

I’ve now left the doctors office with my required vaccine and I believe an updated vaccine sheet in a sealed envelope. The problem is, I’m not sure what everything exactly is in the envelope and I’m worried she didnt actually sign her signature on anything other than filling out the vaccine sheet with my new vaccine. 

[Wuozopo 4,293]

3 hours ago, Rebecca95 said:

Currently in the doctors office of the civil surgeon. There seems to be a problem and she thinks my whole visa could potentially be rejected because she’s experienced this and claims that I’d need to have the whole exam all over again in order for her to sign the appropriate sections

That is BS and she hasn’t read her memos or instructions on how do this. It states clearly that she just has to verify your identity by you showing some photo id. Did she?

Fill out Part 1. Information About You of Form I-693. Do not sign the form until the civil surgeon tells you to sign it. You must sign in the presence of the civil surgeon.

And she was to give you a photocopy of the form that she sealed up so you can review what she did.

The civil surgeon must give you the completed Form I-693 in a sealed envelope for you to submit to USCIS. Do not accept the form from the civil surgeon unless it is in a sealed envelope. USCIS will return your Form I-693 to you if it is not in a sealed envelope or if the envelope is opened or altered in any way. The civil surgeon should also give you a copy of the completed Form I-693 for your records.

 

so following on in the instructions you should have  Parts 1. - 5., 7., and 10 filled in.

 

I realize it is confusing to civil surgeons, but there is an official memo that says the onus is on you the applicant to have an already completed medical exam when you ask for a vax form only. They just have to verify your identity and signature  in person and do the vax page and parts mentioned above.  If you don’t have a valid medical exam, then it is not the civil surgeons problem that you lied to them. I’ll try to find that memo, but probably too late to ease the civil surgeon’s mind and get it all straight.

 

 

2 hours ago, arken said:

Are you trying to send i693 even though it is not required in your case or just trying to get shots just for the why not thing.

The vax page of an I-693 is required because she didn’t, get all needed in London. Medical part done, but vax not complete. A fiancé can still get a visa with zero shots and sort it in the US which she is now doing with great hassle. 

[powerpuff 6,744]

3 hours ago, Rebecca95 said:

Currently in the doctors office of the civil surgeon. There seems to be a problem and she thinks my whole visa could potentially be rejected because she’s experienced this and claims that I’d need to have the whole exam all over again in order for her to sign the appropriate sections, even though there’s a part in the instructions stating that she can just do the vaccine I require. She’s still going to vaccinate me and give me proof but she’s worried it won’t be enough for the USCIS as she didn’t do an exam on me even though I already had one in London. 
 

We were told on the phone that the civil surgeon would do just my shot which is why we booked the appointment, and now things suddenly seem to be different. 

It’s a tactic most civil surgeons use to make more $$$

[arken 4,197]

25 minutes ago, Wuozopo said:

The vax page of an I-693 is required because she didn’t, get all needed in London. Medical part done, but vax not complete. A fiancé can still get a visa with zero shots and sort it in the US which she is now doing with great hassle.

My bad, got tangled with two users' questions in the same post, yeah i thought i was responding to another user who asked question in the same post. I guess that's the reason VJ wants individuals posting on separate threads. Yes i stand corrected on this.

[Wuozopo 4,293]

5 minutes ago, arken said:

My bad, got tangled with two users' questions in the same post, yeah i thought i was responding to another user who asked question in the same post. I guess that's the reason VJ wants individuals posting on separate threads. Yes i stand corrected on this.

Yes and you are on an immigrant visa and may not have realized K1s are non-immigrants and don’t have to be vaccinated until they apply for a greencard after marriage in the US. K1 is quirky visa is many ways. 

[Rebecca95 1]

14 hours ago, Wuozopo said:

That is BS and she hasn’t read her memos or instructions on how do this. It states clearly that she just has to verify your identity by you showing some photo id. Did she?

Fill out Part 1. Information About You of Form I-693. Do not sign the form until the civil surgeon tells you to sign it. You must sign in the presence of the civil surgeon.

And she was to give you a photocopy of the form that she sealed up so you can review what she did.

The civil surgeon must give you the completed Form I-693 in a sealed envelope for you to submit to USCIS. Do not accept the form from the civil surgeon unless it is in a sealed envelope. USCIS will return your Form I-693 to you if it is not in a sealed envelope or if the envelope is opened or altered in any way. The civil surgeon should also give you a copy of the completed Form I-693 for your records.

 

so following on in the instructions you should have  Parts 1. - 5., 7., and 10 filled in.

 

I realize it is confusing to civil surgeons, but there is an official memo that says the onus is on you the applicant to have an already completed medical exam when you ask for a vax form only. They just have to verify your identity and signature  in person and do the vax page and parts mentioned above.  If you don’t have a valid medical exam, then it is not the civil surgeons problem that you lied to them. I’ll try to find that memo, but probably too late to ease the civil surgeon’s mind and get it all straight.

 

 

The vax page of an I-693 is required because she didn’t, get all needed in London. Medical part done, but vax not complete. A fiancé can still get a visa with zero shots and sort it in the US which she is now doing with great hassle. 

Urgh, yeah it's been a whole mess. The only things I signed when I was there were the standard forms doctors get you to fill when you're a new patient. My husband was there with me and was trying his hardest to get it all through to her, which I'm very thankful for because I have immense anxiety with these things and can't get things out into words very well. She still wasn't really having it, though. She claimed she's done this process thousands of times but ours was a special "tricky case" and she kept pointing out the part of the form where she had to sign where it basically says she's performed the medical exam, which she hadn't, so she refused to sign it. She gave me copies of some things in the envelope but I'm not sure if it's a copy of everything because if it is, then I think what she's done doesn't count anyway.

 

I can see she did the vaccination page but I don't see her signature on it anywhere. I don't think she filled anything else in. Both me and my husband got so frustrated, we didn't bother further and just took what she gave us, but I have a strong feeling that when it comes to the interview, they're going to tell us it's not enough and we'll have to go back. This wouldn't be such a big issue if it wasn't for the fact we had to drive 2 hours out of town to meet her because there are no other civil surgeons near us that would administer the vaccine, and we may end up having to back again just to tell her what we already tried telling her.

 

I really do appreciate all the advice you've given me though, it's been a huge help. I just hope this can get sorted in the end because yesterday was not a good experience.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Rebecca95

[Wuozopo 4,293]

@Rebecca95

 

I’m so sorry you are having to go through this. It’s the exact reason I have tried for years to warn K1s in the UK Forum to get every shot and get signed off in London and avoid Civil Surgeon hassles completely. But that is water under the bridge now.

 

This is warning to anybody reading this thread and in the same K1 boat:

It is so very important for you to immerse yourself in the instructions for Form I:693. It tells you what to fill out on the I-693 and print before you ever go in the door. Your information, but don’t sign until you are in the presence of the doctor who is verifying your identity. You sign on page 2 in front of the doctor.
Parts 1-4 are for you to fill out before going. You can put N/A on those sections for interpreters if nobody else worked on your form.

Part 5 is where the doctor writes what identification you showed.

Part 7 is for the doctor to give their name, location, etc  and sign their name. I can understand their reluctance to not sign because the fifth item being a bit ambiguous for a K1 special situation. I would suggest they cross that out if it was bothersome to them. Better than no signature at all.

Part 10  vaccinations (on two pages) must be filled out by the doctor. They could mark out all those other medical test pages if it made them feel better and indicating they are only have done vaccinations and signed off on vaccinations. 

To all following this— The civil surgeon is supposed to give you all pages of the I-693 to review what is in the sealed envelope. All of the pages! Sit yourself down in their waiting room and check every detail before you walk out. Have the printed instruction with you to show them where it says you get a full copy. Have a spare copy you printed of the form with highlighter showing what was supposed to be filled out for your reference while you check. You have got to be very prepared because most civil surgeons won’t be prepared for K1s. Be polite and ask for corrections. 

 

 

[SalishSea 17,987]

On 11/5/2021 at 7:37 PM, Rebecca95 said:

he's apparently read that the interview can be waived if we submit all the correct forms at once (I-693 being one of those) even though it's not guaranteed that the interview will be waived

Just FYI: most AOS from K-1 interviews are not currently being waived.

[SalishSea 17,987]

5 hours ago, Rebecca95 said:

She claimed she's done this process thousands of times but ours was a special "tricky case" and she kept pointing out the part of the form where she had to sign where it basically says she's performed the medical exam, which she hadn't, so she refused to sign it. She gave me copies of some things in the envelope but I'm not sure if it's a copy of everything because if it is, then I think what she's done doesn't count anyway.

Why didn't you just pay for the full exam?  No medical provider in the US is going to sign documentation that they've done something that they haven't.  That would be our license on the line.

[SalishSea 17,987]

19 hours ago, powerpuff said:

It’s a tactic most civil surgeons use to make more $$$

It's not.  It's about signing documentation that an exam was performed by that particular provider, when it was not.

 

That doctor was right in refusing to do so without having done a full exam.

[SalishSea 17,987]

20 hours ago, Wuozopo said:

That is BS and she hasn’t read her memos or instructions on how do this. It states clearly that she just has to verify your identity by you showing some photo id. Did she?

Fill out Part 1. Information About You of Form I-693. Do not sign the form until the civil surgeon tells you to sign it. You must sign in the presence of the civil surgeon.

And she was to give you a photocopy of the form that she sealed up so you can review what she did.

The civil surgeon must give you the completed Form I-693 in a sealed envelope for you to submit to USCIS. Do not accept the form from the civil surgeon unless it is in a sealed envelope. USCIS will return your Form I-693 to you if it is not in a sealed envelope or if the envelope is opened or altered in any way. The civil surgeon should also give you a copy of the completed Form I-693 for your records.

 

so following on in the instructions you should have  Parts 1. - 5., 7., and 10 filled in.

 

I realize it is confusing to civil surgeons, but there is an official memo that says the onus is on you the applicant to have an already completed medical exam when you ask for a vax form only. They just have to verify your identity and signature  in person and do the vax page and parts mentioned above.  If you don’t have a valid medical exam, then it is not the civil surgeons problem that you lied to them. I’ll try to find that memo, but probably too late to ease the civil surgeon’s mind and get it all straight.

 

 

The vax page of an I-693 is required because she didn’t, get all needed in London. Medical part done, but vax not complete. A fiancé can still get a visa with zero shots and sort it in the US which she is now doing with great hassle. 

It doesn't matter what the USCIS says.  If their form states that an exam was performed by that particular provider, and it was not, the provider will not and should not sign it.  USCIS does not have any governance over professional practice/medical boards.  

 

If the end result of not obtaining vaccines during the overseas medical is that a new medical exam must be completed in the US, then the applicant just has to bite the bullet and do that.   Or, shop around for a physician that will sign off that they've completed an exam when they have not.