And speaking of jealousy....

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Guess I should be happy that I've never gone into VJ chat

[UmmSqueakster 54]

This just in...

...my caffeine high is officially gone

[mybackpages 0]

I never insulted all arab women.And you know that. You can villify pull quotes out of context and whatever you want. This is aim immigration board and I am here for immigration advice and support. You know very well what I meant with the post and you are very well aware that not all rules in Jordanian or Palestinian culture apply to North Africa. I do not think I need to elaborate about just how different North Africa is from Palestine. You never could fathom just how much some of the actions of pan arabists and radical thinkers from certain middle eastern countries have caused the deaths of thousands by asserting their interpretaion of religion and intellectual progressive thought into countries that have no relation to them. I do not have to say a thing about the palestinian conflict. I think you have plenty of thoughts on the matter and I am sure you will espouse them.

I look foward to the next lecture Dr. Berzeit . I just hope some sensitive soul on MENA does not run across the harpies before they find someone nice to talk to. I am quite used to it. I am sure you have plenty to say and I will continue to read and participate as I like. It is nice to for you to actually admit you don't know something. This is a first. ( hehehe)

You may not have intended to insult ALL arab women, but that is just what you did Why do you expect the readers of your posts to know what you intend to say. All we know is what you say.

Why do you now spend so much energy fighting back your perceived "villifiers" and "bullies"? Wouldn;t it have been much easier to say...OMG I am so sorry anyone would misread my post. Perhaps I could have written it more clearly?

You have convinced yourself there are people here who harp and seek to wound the "sensitive souls" without ever taking any responsibility for your own misspoken words and misconvieced ideas. You spin your wheels trying to convince us you are qualified to speak on these matters. In my experience those with qualifications do not have to mention creditials.

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If my memory serves me all Palestinians are involved with the mob and/or Russian hookers and strippers. Oh and they own all the liquor stores.

Yes she seems to enjoy bashing people quite a bit. Pretty hypocritical of her to call other people bullies, dont you think? I guess a bully in her opinion is someone that won't let her spew venom about Arabs and Palestinians.

I was there and yes she said she was Berber.

There was a lot of Palestinian bashing going on that night, too. It was kinda sickening.

She isn't berber. Just loca.

She has claimed to be Berber in VJ chat. There were several MENA members in the chat room at that time that can confirm this.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww OMG he is just precious! He looks just like my old cat, Bernie. I loved Bernie so much.

This just in...

...my caffeine high is officially gone

[AngelK96 0]

Palestine's history is far more reaching than any other Arab/MENA country, IMO. I mean the "Cradle of Civilization" is in their backyard for heaven sakes!

And to suggest that Palestinians are adding the "radical" element to MENA! Are you sure about that??? Last time I read about the spreading of radical Islamists (admittedly, I haven't check all of their passports), but I do believe they are from just about every other country in the MENA area. Not once have I ever agreed with the radical tactics of terrorists, because I believe there are better ways to voice opposition, yet Hamas and Hezbollah have done more for the basic needs of the people than any other country...including their own neighboring Arab countries! And as stated before this is really not the topic to get into this, but I will say, if you are going to bring up the spread of radicalization, don't forget to add how the U.S. Foreign Policy has been involved in sparking a good bit of the turmoil that is there today.

Actually Iraq is the cradle of civilization and the birth place of Abraham. But there are apparently no americans petitioning Iraqis at this time to pipe in. IRAQ .... the fertile crescent and the plain of mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization. As far as Hamas and Hezbollah being charitable organizations , I will bow out on that one. I would love to see the red crescent listed. I think that qualifies as a little more charitable than the previous two. Um.... I won't be getting dressed in c4 anytime soon, at least not this week. cheers

I just love it when a person true character comes out. Bravo!

[♥JP♥ 5]

Yeah those were her exact words.

If my memory serves me all Palestinians are involved with the mob and/or Russian hookers and strippers. Oh and they own all the liquor stores.

Yes she seems to enjoy bashing people quite a bit. Pretty hypocritical of her to call other people bullies, dont you think? I guess a bully in her opinion is someone that won't let her spew venom about Arabs and Palestinians.

I was there and yes she said she was Berber.

There was a lot of Palestinian bashing going on that night, too. It was kinda sickening.

She isn't berber. Just loca.

She has claimed to be Berber in VJ chat. There were several MENA members in the chat room at that time that can confirm this.

[peezey 0]

You know very well what I am talking about in reference to the influx of palestinian teachers and members of the egyptian brotherhood that went to teach in Algeria in the 1960s. stop your ####### peezy.... You know very well what I was talking about . Pan arabism cause the intellectual vaccum which led to the civil war that killed over a 100,000 between 1992 and 2002. Pan arabism is the belief the entire world should be united under one caliphate. Unfortunately when you have a melange of 10 different cultures, importing radicalism and arabization at all costs is going to make for a blood bath

Uh, no. I don't know very well what you mean since you've yet, in 19 pages, to formulate one single coherent thought or argument. What is clear, is that you can sort-of copy from wikipedia. I wish I'd known of you and your expertise 10 years ago when I was writing my senior thesis on the Algerian decolonization wars. Not that you know anything, but my advisor and I would have gotten a kick out of interviewing you. You do realize, by the way, Algerians used terrorism way back when, right? I know it's hard for you to understand, but oppressed people who have limited resources and no military do what they can to defend themselves, even Algerians. But that might be too much for you, since it's so utterly, eearily similar to Palestinians.

[peezey 0]

Yeah those were her exact words.

If my memory serves me all Palestinians are involved with the mob and/or Russian hookers and strippers. Oh and they own all the liquor stores.

Yes she seems to enjoy bashing people quite a bit. Pretty hypocritical of her to call other people bullies, dont you think? I guess a bully in her opinion is someone that won't let her spew venom about Arabs and Palestinians.

I was there and yes she said she was Berber.

There was a lot of Palestinian bashing going on that night, too. It was kinda sickening.

She has claimed to be Berber in VJ chat. There were several MENA members in the chat room at that time that can confirm this.

Unbelievable. So she's a liar, too. She shouldn't post her name and all her junk all over the internet and then say she's Berber in chat.

[AngelK96 0]

I must of missed that chat. What's up with her palestinian bashing? did she get f*ed over by a palestinian or did her husband??

Yeah those were her exact words.

If my memory serves me all Palestinians are involved with the mob and/or Russian hookers and strippers. Oh and they own all the liquor stores.

Yes she seems to enjoy bashing people quite a bit. Pretty hypocritical of her to call other people bullies, dont you think? I guess a bully in her opinion is someone that won't let her spew venom about Arabs and Palestinians.

I was there and yes she said she was Berber.

There was a lot of Palestinian bashing going on that night, too. It was kinda sickening.

She isn't berber. Just loca.

She has claimed to be Berber in VJ chat. There were several MENA members in the chat room at that time that can confirm this.

[Caladan 19]

The Palestinians have integrated with the Italians and the Russians!

(Marge Simpson: It's an Italian-American Mexican standoff!)

[♥JP♥ 5]

No she said there were lots of Palestinians in her city which is how she knows all this inside information.

I must of missed that chat. What's up with her palestinian bashing? did she get f*ed over by a palestinian or did her husband??

Yeah those were her exact words.

If my memory serves me all Palestinians are involved with the mob and/or Russian hookers and strippers. Oh and they own all the liquor stores.

Yes she seems to enjoy bashing people quite a bit. Pretty hypocritical of her to call other people bullies, dont you think? I guess a bully in her opinion is someone that won't let her spew venom about Arabs and Palestinians.

I was there and yes she said she was Berber.

There was a lot of Palestinian bashing going on that night, too. It was kinda sickening.

She isn't berber. Just loca.

She has claimed to be Berber in VJ chat. There were several MENA members in the chat room at that time that can confirm this.

[mybackpages 0]

Palestine's history is far more reaching than any other Arab/MENA country, IMO. I mean the "Cradle of Civilization" is in their backyard for heaven sakes!

And to suggest that Palestinians are adding the "radical" element to MENA! Are you sure about that??? Last time I read about the spreading of radical Islamists (admittedly, I haven't check all of their passports), but I do believe they are from just about every other country in the MENA area. Not once have I ever agreed with the radical tactics of terrorists, because I believe there are better ways to voice opposition, yet Hamas and Hezbollah have done more for the basic needs of the people than any other country...including their own neighboring Arab countries! And as stated before this is really not the topic to get into this, but I will say, if you are going to bring up the spread of radicalization, don't forget to add how the U.S. Foreign Policy has been involved in sparking a good bit of the turmoil that is there today.

Actually Iraq is the cradle of civilization and the birth place of Abraham. But there are apparently no americans petitioning Iraqis at this time to pipe in. IRAQ .... the fertile crescent and the plain of mesopotamia is the cradle of civilization. As far as Hamas and Hezbollah being charitable organizations , I will bow out on that one. I would love to see the red crescent listed. I think that qualifies as a little more charitable than the previous two. Um.... I won't be getting dressed in c4 anytime soon, at least not this week. cheers

It's been a while since you have been in school eh? This is the current scholarship: If you define civilization by the ability to have a written language, The Chinese civilization existed long before Sumer in Mesopotamia existed. So the birthplace of civilization is where?????

[jpaula 20]

I admit I still have a lot to learn about MENA culture and I look forward to sharing that with my husband. Unfortunately, I won't be learning much of it here as you are setting a bad example. What's the point of discussing some of these questions if you're going to be insulted about it. There are a few things on this site that have been helpful, but the nastiness is beginning to outweigh the benefit.

I don't know how I set a bad example but that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. The only thing I have been insulted by is Wahrania calling all arab women spiteful. I think if I said something like that about american women all hell would break loose.

charles a little letter to allousa....

read

Allousa first let me help you with something so you have some perspective. First Jordanians and Palestinians are NOT experts on Moroccan culture and middle eastern arab culture is not the same as north african culture so arab or not, she cannot teach you about Morocco. Let me break it down.

The gulf has one set of culture

Palestine and Jordan have another ( with alot of palestinians living in Jordan and Lebanon......you see some of this also in the historical premis for civil war which has palgued lebanon)

Egypt has a completely OTHER set of rules and history beinng that they have had a different set of colonial influences,not being colonised per se but coptic and a whole other ancient history.

Then you have libyans who have an italian influence.

Tunisia which to this day has so many outside influences

Morocco has only been a protectorate and was bERBER not Arab to begin with. The arabic influence traveled to there

And then last of course is algeria.... a country actually that was roman,berber, celtic,phoenician,in the 6th century,large jewish population, and speaks arabic, tuareg,kabilye and chawwi,

The only thing the mid east did for algeria was after a 130 years of colonization by the French in 1962 Houari Boumedienne hired middle eastern and arabic people to come teach them arabic because NO ONE SPOKE ARAB FLUENTLY. They speak Darja ( now of course they all speak formal arabic) but in the early 60s even Ben Bella could not properly address the Egyptian congress. Several radical palestinian and egyptian teachers, some of them in exile from their own countries ( well we all know that palestine suffered immensely...other subject thank you) came i nto Algeria and imported some of their ideas and culture into algeria. Some very good. Some very very bad.. Between 1962 and the present there has been a conflict between the non arabic speaking kabilyes in the east and arabists that belittle and demean them and its only been recently that amazigh is being taught again ( other wise known as berber...do not call them arabs) They are not

Now for a jordanian to come onto your post and hold her self as an expernt on mena culture is absurd. Many people in Morocco and Algeria are NOT EVEN ARAB. Hence the amazigh culture and the berber culture. ( ask your husband to tell you the story of Kahina) I am just letting you know that being arab does not make one an expert on morocco because Morocco and algeria have a completely different story and ethnic background and frankly in 1917 to 1922 in the berber highlands of Morocco the moroccan berbers FOUGHT AGAINST ARABIZaTION. I think its presumtuous for someone to hold themseles up as arab and give you a lecture. Some people in Algeria are more closely related to the celts or basque than the arabs. And not all Algerians or Moroccans even speak arabic. So here we have some jordanian ( god bless jordan) telling you married to a Moroccan Allousa with a Moroccan daughter that you dont not MENA culture? Well you dont know JORDANIAN CULTURE ( neither o i) but there is a good chance that you are pretty familiar with Moroccan because you have a baby with one and are married to one. This is not to offend but to merely make a point...that being arab doesnt make you and expert on everyone who speaks arabic nor does being American make you and expert on the constitution. Some Americans are more knowledgable about foreign affairs and history as well as some arabs know tons about the history of the USA. Think for yourself and ignore harpies, especially ones who say they know everything. So Allousa, think for yourself girlfriend... You know tons and don't pay attention to know it alls. Your life experience is the best teacher

You know I am beginning to enjoy the fact that you dig yourself deeper and deeper into a hole. Now if you go back and read, I have never claimed to be an expert or even know anything at all about Moroccan Culture. If you go back and read my posts, I have never included Morocco, Algeria, or any other North African country as part of the Middle East. I have never claimed to be an expert on MENA culture nor have I stated so. The statments I have made in this thread about MENA culture are by far the most common of them all.

And then you go on to say that so many people in Morocco and Algeria aren't even Arabs, so then why do you feel the need to insult Arab women so much??????? And now that you are done insulting Arab women you are insulting Palestinians again.

I never insulted all arab women.And you know that. You can villify pull quotes out of context and whatever you want. This is aim immigration board and I am here for immigration advice and support. You know very well what I meant with the post and you are very well aware that not all rules in Jordanian or Palestinian culture apply to North Africa. I do not think I need to elaborate about just how different North Africa is from Palestine. You never could fathom just how much some of the actions of pan arabists and radical thinkers from certain middle eastern countries have caused the deaths of thousands by asserting their interpretaion of religion and intellectual progressive thought into countries that have no relation to them. I do not have to say a thing about the palestinian conflict. I think you have plenty of thoughts on the matter and I am sure you will espouse them.

I look foward to the next lecture Dr. Berzeit . I just hope some sensitive soul on MENA does not run across the harpies before they find someone nice to talk to. I am quite used to it. I am sure you have plenty to say and I will continue to read and participate as I like. It is nice to for you to actually admit you don't know something. This is a first. ( hehehe)

You may have any opinion you like, but I would urge anyone who wants a history lesson to do their own research as this is an incredibly distorted view of what Pan-Arabism was and is. It was a SECULAR political movement. Please, let's stop this. Let people read history for themselves. Really. Stop.

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I believe her ex and the father of her child is Palestinian.

I must of missed that chat. What's up with her palestinian bashing? did she get f*ed over by a palestinian or did her husband??

Yeah those were her exact words.

If my memory serves me all Palestinians are involved with the mob and/or Russian hookers and strippers. Oh and they own all the liquor stores.

Yes she seems to enjoy bashing people quite a bit. Pretty hypocritical of her to call other people bullies, dont you think? I guess a bully in her opinion is someone that won't let her spew venom about Arabs and Palestinians.

I was there and yes she said she was Berber.

There was a lot of Palestinian bashing going on that night, too. It was kinda sickening.

She isn't berber. Just loca.

She has claimed to be Berber in VJ chat. There were several MENA members in the chat room at that time that can confirm this.

Edited August 9, 2007 by moody

[peezey 0]

I used to want to be a hyphenated something. I'll start calling myself a Californian-American now.

I believe her ex and the father of her child is Palestinian.

What happened to her ex that's Moroccan and the supposed father of the baby? This gets better and better.

Edited August 9, 2007 by peezey