k1 Has Anyone Actually Been Deported on K1 For Unofficial Wedding Ceremony?

[culturalcustomer 4]

3 minutes ago, mitzab said:

Hi dear

 

K1 visa is a fiance visa, as far as risks are concerned no lawyer can say otherwise. Yes there are lot of people who break the law and don't get caught still does not make it right.

 

If you wish to choose that path than do let us know how it goes for you, we are all cheering for you to be with your loved one sooner than later.

 

If there is "no marriage" than ceremony is just a dinner or a lunch why even bother putting that as a question. If there is nothing to hide then no reason to fear.

 

Cheers 

Thank you for your kind response.

[igoyougoduke 1,635]

2 hours ago, culturalcustomer said:

Hi guys, I'm new here. I was just wondering about something. It seems that there's a notion that if you and your fiance have a wedding ceremony before the k1 visa is finished processing, then you risk your visa being denied or even later on risk being deported for fraud or misrepresentation of facts if they find out later on after fiance gets to the US. My question are:

 

1.) If having a wedding ceremony (but not actually sign anything) really is a problem and makes it fraudulent to enter on a k1, then under what circumstances could immigration find out about it later on assuming there are only pictures that were never posted on social ,media or on our phones?

 

2.) I hear people say that you can get deported if immigration finds out later on after fiancee comes to the us and could strip away citizenship. If this does happen as people say it does, then can anyone link me to a case on VJ her where that happened to someone?

 

It just feels like that's misinformation.

 

Our visa was approved but currently in administrative processing.

visas can get revoked at any time for wrong representation. Like others have said if the consulate thinks you are too married ( like whatever ceremony you have had) they will deny the visa and ask you to apply spouse visa. Plenty of people have had the issue and some didnt. 

 

Simplest fact if you are worried, dont have any ceremony. it does not matter whether its officially registered in the marriage bureau or not.

 

 

[African Zealot 1,454]

Whether it has really happened before or not is irrelevant. If something is wrong per immigration law, what does it matter if it’s happened in real life before or not? Even if it hasn’t happened before, you could be the first. The fact that something has slipped through the cracks previously or been overlooked doesn’t mean you will be that fortunate.

 

You’ve received enough opinions, one more doesn’t change anything. Make your decision based on the information you’ve received instead of going around fishing hoping to hear the answer you want.

[culturalcustomer 4]

13 minutes ago, Boiler said:

It is not that complicated a process this is after all a DIY site and most people complete the process without much if any help 

True, but there's still quite a bit of unclear information that sometimes trips people up and causes people to get their visas denied for sometimes very small and avoidable reasons.

[Redro 4,609]

2 hours ago, culturalcustomer said:

Hi guys, I'm new here. I was just wondering about something. It seems that there's a notion that if you and your fiance have a wedding ceremony before the k1 visa is finished processing, then you risk your visa being denied or even later on risk being deported for fraud or misrepresentation of facts if they find out later on after fiance gets to the US. My question are:

 

1.) If having a wedding ceremony (but not actually sign anything) really is a problem and makes it fraudulent to enter on a k1, then under what circumstances could immigration find out about it later on assuming there are only pictures that were never posted on social ,media or on our phones?

 

2.) I hear people say that you can get deported if immigration finds out later on after fiancee comes to the us and could strip away citizenship. If this does happen as people say it does, then can anyone link me to a case on VJ her where that happened to someone?

 

It just feels like that's misinformation.

 

Our visa was approved but currently in administrative processing.

Michael's fiance was denied at PoE because they  discovered through a line of questioning they were already married.  

https://youtu.be/x3eDHYhu2Z8?t=55

Now, his case is more complicated. But, if at PoE your partner might asked "When last did @culturalcustomer?" And if  the answer is "Last week... " More questions could be asked about the nature of the visit, leading to them thinking you're already married.

Why risk it? But, if you do. Report back about PoE procedures. 

Edited October 25, 2021 by Kor2USA

[culturalcustomer 4]

1 minute ago, African Zealot said:

Whether it has really happened before or not is irrelevant. If something is wrong per immigration law, what does it matter if it’s happened in real life before or not? Even if it hasn’t happened before, you could be the first. The fact that something has slipped through the cracks previously or been overlooked doesn’t mean you will be that fortunate.

 

You’ve received enough opinions, one more doesn’t change anything. Make your decision based on the information you’ve received instead of going around fishing hoping to hear the answer you want.

I'm not really trying to hear the answer I want. Obviously I want to do what is in my and my fiance's best interest and breaking the law is not something that helps with that. But that being said, if I'm asking for proof that the circumstance that a lot of people are saying can happen, *has* happened, then clearly I'm trying to get information so that I could try to understand the seriousness and severity of what could happen. 

 

Also, if people say that something has happened and you ask for a source where said thing happened, and they continuously fail to provide that proof, then the credibility of the person that said it tends to fall very low. 

[SalishSea 17,444]

10 minutes ago, culturalcustomer said:

True, but there's still quite a bit of unclear information that sometimes trips people up and causes people to get their visas denied for sometimes very small and avoidable reasons.

Like I said, if you do not believe or like what you are hearing here, you should do the research yourself.  There are plenty of first-hand accounts on VJ of K-1 couples who held an engagement ceremony, formal party, unofficial wedding, etc, only to be dismayed later that the visa application was denied.  I have no personal interest in dissuading you from doing this; I am merely reporting what I've read over and over again since 2016.

[JFH 12,189]

1 hour ago, culturalcustomer said:

But it's my understanding that they don't even ask you about that stuff normally at the PoE. If they don't ask about it then how can it be considered willful misrepresentation? And it likely wouldn't be something that is brought up at any of the other fillings either unless we volunteer it (meaning they wouldn't ask about it). I just don't understand why it would matter if there was a celebration that happened. It's not actually married which is all that matters, right?

 

I've stumbled upon cases where "Too married for k1' has come up, but that doesn't sound like something that is necessarily based on the law/visa requirements. It seems like it's something that could be determined based on how the officer personally feels (even if you're following all the rules). They might think you are "too married" even if you aren't married at all.

 

And those links aren't actual cases where this has happened to someone. I still want to know if it's ever actually happened.

 

 

Who can say what they will ask at POE? There are no set scripts that they follow. The CBP officers have every right to question an individual as to their circumstances. An approved visa allows one to present her/himself at the border. It is still no guarantee of admission. And if the CBP officer feels that the visa has been obtained fraudulently or that the holder is any way ineligible for admission in that particular category, he can deny admission. Look through here at how many people with valid tourist visas have been denied entry or removed because it was believed by the CBP officer that they were not coming here purely for tourism. 
 

I do know of a case on VJ where a K-1 visa holder was removed at the border. During the POE process the CBP officer asked something about working plans,, career, etc. Possibly due to a misunderstanding by the K-1 holder who did not speak English well, she told the CBP officer that she was planning to work here. She probably meant “in the future when I have my EAD” but it was taken at face value and completely literally and she was sent back to her home country. 
 

Off-VJ I am aware of a K-1 case who was asked at the border “are you aware you must marry within 90 days?” (Which is “standard” questioning) to which he replied “well we haven’t decided if we will get married or not. We will use the 90 days to find out”. It was determined that this constituted a lie on his “statement of intent to marry” that he presented to USCIS and the embassy and he was sent back also. 

[Loren Y 2,753]

Another thing to consider is maybe 10% of people going thru the immigration process even know about VJ, Reddit, Facebook or whatever. Lets even say it's as high as 20%. You are getting a very small sample, or " Pool" to judge your decision on. Hundreds of thousands of applications are submitted every year, there is no way to gather enough insight to make a decent decision on something like this.  That's why your going to see most people take a play it safe attitude, I did a K1 and thought why not a small ceremony with family, then saw questions exactly like this one over the time I looked, and I didn't go anywhere near as hard as you are to get information, but decided against it.

[culturalcustomer 4]

9 minutes ago, Loren Y said:

Another thing to consider is maybe 10% of people going thru the immigration process even know about VJ, Reddit, Facebook or whatever. Lets even say it's as high as 20%. You are getting a very small sample, or " Pool" to judge your decision on. Hundreds of thousands of applications are submitted every year, there is no way to gather enough insight to make a decent decision on something like this.  That's why your going to see most people take a play it safe attitude, I did a K1 and thought why not a small ceremony with family, then saw questions exactly like this one over the time I looked, and I didn't go anywhere near as hard as you are to get information, but decided against it.

The reason I'm going so hard to find out this information is because the more I read up on cases on VJ, Reddit, Facebook, etc. The more I see people who have done things differently and still came out fine on the other end. It just makes me realize that people's experiences are varied. It's well known that everyone who goes through these processes isn't treated with the same level of equity and respect. And I think that sometimes comes into play when dealing with these officers (at any point in the process really.)

 

But you're right. I didn't consider the small amount of people. I assumed a majority of people actually used these sites, but maybe not. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by culturalcustomer

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Gail and Derrick said:

Did you not like the responses you were getting on Reddit about this? Several people answered you there, but here's the thing, just because you don't like the answers you got doesn't mean they were giving you incorrect information. You'll get the same info here. And asking across multiple VJ and Reddit accounts doesn't change the facts either. You got rather argumentative over there. Please don't do that here. 

Wait is this dubiouspoet?

[Gail and Derrick 270]

38 minutes ago, igoyougoduke said:

Simplest fact if you are worried, dont have any ceremony. it does not matter whether its officially registered in the marriage bureau or not.

It's too late. According to the earliest posts on Reddit they actually got married because AP was taking so long and they didn't know they couldn't get married. Redditors told them they could no longer do K-1 and would need to start again with CR1. In subsequent posts, OP claimed it was just a ceremony and has been running with that ever since. 

 

[PatLuvO 284]

If you want to do a marriage ceremony why not just do CR1? Why take the risk? Furthermore K1 isn't shorter processing time which was the main benefit of this visa pre-covid.

[Redro 4,609]

2 hours ago, culturalcustomer said:

Hi guys, I'm new here. I was just wondering about something. It seems that there's a notion that if you and your fiance have a wedding ceremony before the k1 visa is finished processing, then you risk your visa being denied or even later on risk being deported for fraud or misrepresentation of facts if they find out later on after fiance gets to the US. My question are:

 

1.) If having a wedding ceremony (but not actually sign anything) really is a problem and makes it fraudulent to enter on a k1, then under what circumstances could immigration find out about it later on assuming there are only pictures that were never posted on social ,media or on our phones?

 

2.) I hear people say that you can get deported if immigration finds out later on after fiancee comes to the us and could strip away citizenship. If this does happen as people say it does, then can anyone link me to a case on VJ her where that happened to someone?

 

It just feels like that's misinformation.

 

Our visa was approved but currently in administrative processing.

Why are you in AP? Which consulate/ country are you going through? 

[millefleur 5,043]

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