k1 Has Anyone Actually Been Deported on K1 For Unofficial Wedding Ceremony?

[culturalcustomer 4]

Hi guys, I'm new here. I was just wondering about something. It seems that there's a notion that if you and your fiance have a wedding ceremony before the k1 visa is finished processing, then you risk your visa being denied or even later on risk being deported for fraud or misrepresentation of facts if they find out later on after fiance gets to the US. My question are:

 

1.) If having a wedding ceremony (but not actually sign anything) really is a problem and makes it fraudulent to enter on a k1, then under what circumstances could immigration find out about it later on assuming there are only pictures that were never posted on social ,media or on our phones?

 

2.) I hear people say that you can get deported if immigration finds out later on after fiancee comes to the us and could strip away citizenship. If this does happen as people say it does, then can anyone link me to a case on VJ her where that happened to someone?

 

It just feels like that's misinformation.

 

Our visa was approved but currently in administrative processing.

[HRQX 4,145]

17 minutes ago, culturalcustomer said:

then you risk your visa being denied

See here:

Since they were "too married" for K-1 they then eventually did IR-1/CR-1 process: https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=258475

18 minutes ago, culturalcustomer said:

risk being deported for fraud or misrepresentation of facts if they find out later on after fiance gets to the US.

Not mentioning it at POE, I-485 filing, I-485 interview, etc. is willful material misrepresentation: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-j

23 minutes ago, culturalcustomer said:

and could strip away citizenship.

Yes, they can revoke citizenship: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2

[Crazy Cat 41,010]

@culturalcustomer,    Your visa is not yet approved until all administrative processing is complete and the status has changed to "issued".  That notion you mentioned  is not misinformation.  I wouldn't risk it.  

Edited October 24, 2021 by Crazy Cat

[culturalcustomer 4]

33 minutes ago, HRQX said:

See here:

Since they were "too married" for K-1 they then eventually did IR-1/CR-1 process: https://www.visajourney.com/timeline/profile.php?id=258475

Not mentioning it at POE, I-485 filing, I-485 interview, etc. is willful material misrepresentation: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-j

Yes, they can revoke citizenship: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2

But it's my understanding that they don't even ask you about that stuff normally at the PoE. If they don't ask about it then how can it be considered willful misrepresentation? And it likely wouldn't be something that is brought up at any of the other fillings either unless we volunteer it (meaning they wouldn't ask about it). I just don't understand why it would matter if there was a celebration that happened. It's not actually married which is all that matters, right?

 

I've stumbled upon cases where "Too married for k1' has come up, but that doesn't sound like something that is necessarily based on the law/visa requirements. It seems like it's something that could be determined based on how the officer personally feels (even if you're following all the rules). They might think you are "too married" even if you aren't married at all.

 

And those links aren't actual cases where this has happened to someone. I still want to know if it's ever actually happened.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by culturalcustomer

[Gail and Derrick 270]

Did you not like the responses you were getting on Reddit about this? Several people answered you there, but here's the thing, just because you don't like the answers you got doesn't mean they were giving you incorrect information. You'll get the same info here. And asking across multiple VJ and Reddit accounts doesn't change the facts either. You got rather argumentative over there. Please don't do that here. 

[SalishSea 17,383]

21 minutes ago, culturalcustomer said:

I've stumbled upon cases where "Too married for k1' has come up, but that doesn't sound like something that is necessarily based on the law/visa requirements. It seems like it's something that could be determined based on how the officer personally feels (even if you're following all the rules). They might think you are "too married" even if you aren't married at all.

Incorrect.  The consular officer is charged with determining visa eligibility.  A requirement for the K-1 visa is that both parties remain unmarried until after POE in the United States.  If an applicant for a K-1 visa appears to be married, the CO will deny the visa.  Erring on the side of possibly incorrectly approving a visa is not a chance they want to take.

[Boiler 44,700]

Sounds like a question for an Immigration Lawyer. We only see a small percentage of the crazy stuff 

[culturalcustomer 4]

13 minutes ago, Gail and Derrick said:

Did you not like the responses you were getting on Reddit about this? Several people answered you there, but here's the thing, just because you don't like the answers you got doesn't mean they were giving you incorrect information. You'll get the same info here. And asking across multiple VJ and Reddit accounts doesn't change the facts either. You got rather argumentative over there. Please don't do that here. 

No, I did not like the answers I was getting on Reddit.

 

Here's the thing... not everything over there on Reddit that you all are saying is facts. I realized that a LOT of it is not fact. There's a ton of misinformation floating around these immigration forums. That's why I am asking across multiple forums on VJ and Reddit. I try to be thorough and find consistencies in the information I receive from these threads... That's how I can be reasonably certain that it's correct information. There's an actual immigration lawyer on YouTube that actually said that it shouldn't be a problem to have a wedding ceremony before the k1 is complete, so that is how I know that people on Reddit and VJ sometimes don't know what they're talking about. A lot of the approvals and denials are based on the discretion of the officers, and not always because of the law, but oftentimes because of how they're feeling, or their own personal biases.

 

I'm not here to argue though, I just want my question answered, which I didn't get answered over on Reddit.

[culturalcustomer 4]

4 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Incorrect.  The consular officer is charged with determining visa eligibility.  A requirement for the K-1 visa is that both parties remain unmarried until after POE in the United States.  If an applicant for a K-1 visa appears to be married, the CO will deny the visa.  Erring on the side of possibly incorrectly approving a visa is not a chance they want to take.

Many people have been approved though while the officers have known about a simple ceremony. I'm not talking about being married actually, I'm just talking about a marriage ceremony that is not official.

Edited October 25, 2021 by culturalcustomer

[Boiler 44,700]

1 minute ago, culturalcustomer said:

Many people have been approved though while the officers have known about a simple ceremony. I'm not talking about being married actually, I'm just talking about a marriage ceremony that is not official.

Never heard of anybody from the UK having an issue 

[Gail and Derrick 270]

Just now, culturalcustomer said:

No, I did not like the answers I was getting on Reddit.

 

Here's the thing... not everything over there on Reddit that you all are saying is facts. I realized that a LOT of it is not fact. There's a ton of misinformation floating around these immigration forums. That's why I am asking across multiple forums on VJ and Reddit. I try to be thorough and find consistencies in the information I receive from these threads... That's how I can be reasonably certain that it's correct information. There's an actual immigration lawyer on YouTube that actually said that it shouldn't be a problem to have a wedding ceremony before the k1 is complete, so that is how I know that people on Reddit and VJ sometimes don't know what they're talking about. A lot of the approvals and denials are based on the discretion of the officers, and not always because of the law, but oftentimes because of how they're feeling, or their own personal biases.

 

I'm not here to argue though, I just want my question answered, which I didn't get answered over on Reddit.

 

No one here owes you an answer.

 

And yet people here and on Reddit have provided you with info. It seems the only thing that will satisfy you is to hear the thing you want to. On Reddit you rather rudely demanded people send you links from VJ. Entitled much? 

 

Here's what you do if you don't like the answers. Go find the answers yourself or get a lawyer. Or be your own test case. Also if you think "an actual immigration lawyer on Youtube" is the sole source of correct info, I have some bad news for you. I suggest you find stories on here about lawyers who screwed over their clients because they didn't know what they were doing. Just because someone is a lawyer doesn't mean they're good at it. 

 

Frankly, I'm tired of reading the same questions from the 2 accounts you have here on VJ and the two you have on Reddit. 

 

[SalishSea 17,383]

9 minutes ago, culturalcustomer said:

Many people have been approved though while the officers have known about a simple ceremony. I'm not talking about being married actually, I'm just talking about a marriage ceremony that is not official.

I have been reading VJ for the past 5 years, and I've seen LOTS of cases that were denied following "unofficial" marriage ceremonies.  And contrary to what you may think, that would not be a random result based on how the CO is feeling that day; it is correct application of immigration law.

 

Don't believe what you're hearing here?  Feel free to do your own research, or take a chance and see what happens.  

7 minutes ago, Gail and Derrick said:

2 accounts you have here on VJ

I thought it was against the TOS to have two accounts here on VJ?

[Gail and Derrick 270]

10 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

 

I thought it was against the TOS to have two accounts here on VJ?

I'm not going to name names but there is someone who's been pretty active here on VJ in the last few weeks asking the exact same questions that then get posted on Reddit (across 2 accounts because mods kept deleting the posts). And this question and the demand for proof of deportation was made by a Reddit user who'd been asking the exact same questions (phrased in exactly the same way) about other issues around AP, POE, etc. It's just far too coincidental especially given the nature of the topics. My assumption was that this "new account" on VJ was an attempt to ask this and not have it tied to the primary account. Exegesis for the win. 

Edited October 25, 2021 by Gail and Derrick

[Boiler 44,700]

It is not that complicated a process this is after all a DIY site and most people complete the process without much if any help 

[mitzab 285]

2 hours ago, culturalcustomer said:

Hi guys, I'm new here. I was just wondering about something. It seems that there's a notion that if you and your fiance have a wedding ceremony before the k1 visa is finished processing, then you risk your visa being denied or even later on risk being deported for fraud or misrepresentation of facts if they find out later on after fiance gets to the US. My question are:

 

1.) If having a wedding ceremony (but not actually sign anything) really is a problem and makes it fraudulent to enter on a k1, then under what circumstances could immigration find out about it later on assuming there are only pictures that were never posted on social ,media or on our phones?

 

2.) I hear people say that you can get deported if immigration finds out later on after fiancee comes to the us and could strip away citizenship. If this does happen as people say it does, then can anyone link me to a case on VJ her where that happened to someone?

 

It just feels like that's misinformation.

 

Our visa was approved but currently in administrative processing.

Hi dear

 

K1 visa is a fiance visa, as far as risks are concerned no lawyer can say otherwise. Yes there are lot of people who break the law and don't get caught still does not make it right.

 

If you wish to choose that path than do let us know how it goes for you, we are all cheering for you to be with your loved one sooner than later.

 

If there is "no marriage" than ceremony is just a dinner or a lunch why even bother putting that as a question. If there is nothing to hide then no reason to fear.

 

Cheers