Occupation 101

[desert_fox 32]

funny..

you get your land back from the crazies that are occupying it the same way that Egypt and Jordan got their land back...you reach a peace agreement.

Israel took this land because they were invaded by five different countrie. It took them 3 days to beat them and 3 days to stop laughing.

Present a credible govt, that can make agreements, and honor them. Recognize Israel, as theywont be going away, and agree on International borders.

[peezey 0]

This would make me laugh if it wasn't so sickening. At least you admit to your ignorance and bigottry. And, for the record, "religious crazies" aren't fighting right now. These are political parties, one rightfully elected by the people, and one corruptively propped up by the US.

thank for explaining it to me...now I understand...just suprizes that the other 300 million ppl in the US dont get it.

so the crazies running Gaza are the duly elected govt??...or is it the other ones??

yanno...the Palestinians that I have worked with...dont even care about this stuff...they work side by side with ppl from all countries, including Jews, and have no problems getting along. They are just glad to be out of there. Maybe in another 1000 years, things may get resolved.

How can it surprise you that Americans don't get it when the news they get is commodified into the lowest level of entertainment?

[allousa 1]

funny..

you get your land back from the crazies that are occupying it the same way that Egypt and Jordan got their land back...you reach a peace agreement.

Israel took this land because they were invaded by five different countrie. It took them 3 days to beat them and 3 days to stop laughing.

Present a credible govt, that can make agreements, and honor them. Recognize Israel, as theywont be going away, and agree on International borders.

You are woefully ignorant of the situation if you truly think that the land was given back. I cannot believe that you are not aware of the daily checkpoints that many of the Palestinians are forced to go through if they are even open at all. All commerce is supposed to come through these narrow checkpoints that can be closed for hours or days at a time. The Palestinians are not in control of the airspace, borders or ports, neither do they have control of the revenue that is taxed from them. How in God's name is anyone supposed to live like that...let alone trying to make a fuctioning government.

If you look at the UN Resolutions AGAINST Israel on the issue of recognizing borders, the ball is kind of in their court.

The Arabs/Muslims and Jews did coexist in this area without little problem prior to the 1900s. It was the massive influx of Jewish Immigrants from Europe that displaced these people. Now if you want to make the argument that was their homeland 2000 years ago, then let's go about displacing virtually everyone on the planet, since 2000 years ago the land more than likely belonged to someone else.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

funny..

you get your land back from the crazies that are occupying it the same way that Egypt and Jordan got their land back...you reach a peace agreement.

Israel took this land because they were invaded by five different countrie. It took them 3 days to beat them and 3 days to stop laughing.

Present a credible govt, that can make agreements, and honor them. Recognize Israel, as theywont be going away, and agree on International borders.

Aaaaaaaand he's back... determined to present a perfect example of how years of Zionist propaganda can turn the brain completely to mush.

Dude. Everytime you post, all you're doing is proving my point -- you don't have a single solitary clue about the most basic facts of the Middle East conflict. I don't think I've ever seen anyone so badly in need of an encyclopedia. I'm sure you thought your latest attempt at a "comeback" would be impressive to everyone reading, but it's so full of historical errors and absurdities I hardly know where to begin.

By the way, it seems that you've forgotten that we've already had this discussion 2 years ago, when you posted the exact same BS. I even gave you a link to Wikipedia to read the history for yourself. But you made the same laughable excuse for your ignorance then -- you said you just "weren't interested" in learning anything resembling actual history if it wasn't in line with your "impressions."

Again, I have no expectation that mere facts might change your mind, since you have apparently been so completely brainwashed you are unable to process anything else. But for the benefit of others reading, I will go through your ridiculous post line by line:

#1

you get your land back from the crazies that are occupying it the same way that Egypt and Jordan got their land back...you reach a peace agreement.

What in the world are you babbling about ?

Israel took the Sinai in 1967 after ISRAEL launched a surprise attack on Egypt. Egypt regained its territory after propelling itself into a more powerful position after another war (1973) and a long series of negotiations (and thanks to extra prodding of Israel by the U.S.)

Where do you get the idea that Jordan "got its land back" ???? This is entirely untrue as well. Sure, Jordan made a peace treaty with Israel, but it didn't regain one inch of its territory. After the war, Jordan ceded sovereignty of the West Bank to the Palestinians for their state, but Israel flat out refuses to leave it, peace or no peace (and in violation of myriad U.N. security resolutions.)

#2

Israel took this land because they were invaded by five different countrie. It took them 3 days to beat them and 3 days to stop laughing.

This is completely and absolutely untrue. Why won't you LOOK IT UP for once ?

To repeat: Israel started the 1967 war when it launched a Pearl Harbor-style sneak attack on Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Israel bombed their airfields, crippling their combat abilities. Meanwhile, Israeli ground forces invaded Egypt and Jordan, capturing the Sinai, Jerusalem and the West Bank. Two days later, Israel attacked Syria, capturing the Golan Heights.

If you can manage simple arithmetic, you would realize that this adds up to *THREE* Arab countries involved -- where in the world do you come up with "five" ?????? And they were fighting BACK after they were ATTACKED by Israel. The Palestinians didn't even have an army -- in fact, thousands of Palestinians fled the fighting, only to find out that Israel refused to allow them to return to their own homes and property (a violation of the Geneva Convention.)

I've already posted quotes from Israeli leaders admitting that Israel started the war in order to seize territory, but since you have such a short memory, here they are again :

"I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it."

-- Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

"[There was] no threat of destruction" but the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was justified so that Israel could "exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies."

-- General Ezer Weitzman, former Commander of the Israeli Air Force, New York Times, 8/21/82 and Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."

"In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."

-- Menachem Begin, New York Times, 8/21/82 and Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."

"They [the Israeli settlers] didn't even try to hide their greed for the land... We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was... The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us."

-- Moshe Dayan, Israeli Defense Minister in 1967, The New York Times, 3/11/97

Of course Israel won the war -- it had expected to from the start. Israel's military was much more powerful than any other in the area, just as it is today. Israel had nothing to fear from Arab countries. The whole point of invading its neighbors was to seize territory (another violation of the Geneva Convention.) Since 1967, not only has Israel refused to allow the native inhabitants to return to their homes and property, it's moved hundreds of thousands of its own Jewish "settlers" into the occupied areas (yet another violation of the Geneva Convention) in an attempt at de-facto (and completely illegal) annexation.

#3

Present a credible govt, that can make agreements, and honor them. Recognize Israel, as theywont be going away, and agree on International borders.

Again, don't you ever bother to open a history book ????

The Palestinian Authority HAS formally recognized Israel since 1988, when Yasser Arafat agreed that Israel has a right to live within safe, secure borders. It's Israel that refuses to accept anything that might mean it has to remove itself from the stolen land, in particular the West Bank.

Same thing with "agreeing on international borders." Don't you remember that these were set by the U.N. in 1948 ? And the Palestinians have already agreed to accept a much smaller territory based on the 1967 borders. It's Israel that was never satisfied with the large chunk of Palestinian land it was given, so it has made continual moves to expand its territory by military force, and at the expense of its neighbors.

By the way, the Israeli government won't even commit to permanent borders -- look on their own government maps if you don't believe me -- because it wants to keep expanding. Israel clearly perceives itself as some kind of colonial power that can just keep seizing more land from its neighbors through force -- it's been trying to steal Southern Lebanon for the past 25 years.

Desert Fox -- as I've told you again and again -- you can easily look all of this stuff up for yourself. Don't you know the truth shall make you free ? Or are you just going to keep sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALALALA to drown out the truth....