The Great Southwest Airlines Rebellion?

[TBoneTX 46,088]

Oh, I was thinking about Abbott's EO.  

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

1 minute ago, TBoneTX said:

Oh, I was thinking about Abbott's EO.  

Again,  it is meaningless for SWA, since the fake mandate revolves around them being federal contractors (which is ONLY true if you have a very active imagination and believe the earth is flat, since no federal funds, nor NAFs pay the SWA employees).

 

Love what Abbott is doing, expect DeSantis to follow suit soon.  But alas, the fine folks that live in TX & FL will not get a reprieve from their respective employers based on those.  Let's see how people like air travel when there aren't enough pilots nor flight attendants because they lost their jobs.

[TBoneTX 46,088]

2 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Let's see how people like air travel when there aren't enough pilots nor flight attendants because they lost their jobs.

If life is fair, this will redound negatively on Pres. Bidementia.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

3 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

If life is fair, this will redound negatively on Pres. Bidementia.

Bidementia.   Cool

[Dashinka 24,783]

8 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Again,  it is meaningless for SWA, since the fake mandate revolves around them being federal contractors (which is ONLY true if you have a very active imagination and believe the earth is flat, since no federal funds, nor NAFs pay the SWA employees).

 

Love what Abbott is doing, expect DeSantis to follow suit soon.  But alas, the fine folks that live in TX & FL will not get a reprieve from their respective employers based on those.  Let's see how people like air travel when there aren't enough pilots nor flight attendants because they lost their jobs.

Actually, I am not totally on board with what Abbott did.  I am not in favor of forced mandates, or forced non-mandates on businesses.  Let the people decide for themselves without the need of government direction.

[jg121783 3,921]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Actually, I am not totally on board with what Abbott did.  I am not in favor of forced mandates, or forced non-mandates on businesses.  Let the people decide for themselves without the need of government direction.

I somewhat agree. However considering the push one way from Biden (towards a mandate) a push in the opposite direction (banning mandates) might be needed.

[Dashinka 24,783]

34 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

I somewhat agree. However considering the push one way from Biden (towards a mandate) a push in the opposite direction (banning mandates) might be needed.

The sorry thing is how political it has become at least here in the US.

[laylalex 7,300]

So I guess all we do now is decide that our own interpretations are correct because we feel they must be so, in spite of the airline and the union saying this had nothing to do with the mandate? I guess we do live in a post-truth universe now.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/12/1045380598/southwest-pilots-union-explains-flight-cancelations

[Dashinka 24,783]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

So I guess all we do now is decide that our own interpretations are correct because we feel they must be so, in spite of the airline and the union saying this had nothing to do with the mandate? I guess we do live in a post-truth universe now.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/12/1045380598/southwest-pilots-union-explains-flight-cancelations

You do understand that the union is restricted in what they can say publicly/legally right?  As to the company, they could probably say this was a job action to cover their possible mismanagement, but they also have to weigh the potential of what that would do to the morale of their crews.  In the end, what these entities say in public is just a bunch of hot air, saying this is an air controller or weather issue that only impacted their company seems to indicate there was more things going on, who knows.  I tend to think it is too early early for any mandates to be an issue, so I tend to believe right now it is more of a mismanagement issue, but we will never know.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You do understand that the union is restricted in what they can say publicly/legally right?  As to the company, they could probably say this was a job action to cover their possible mismanagement, but they also have to weigh the potential of what that would do to the morale of their crews.  In the end, what these entities say in public is just a bunch of hot air, saying this is an air controller or weather issue that only impacted their company seems to indicate there was more things going on, who knows.  I tend to think it is too early early for any mandates to be an issue, so I tend to believe right now it is more of a mismanagement issue, but we will never know.

I was a supervisor in a Union plant for years. They never had any problems being very vocal about their actions.  You got anything to support your claim.

[Dashinka 24,783]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I was a supervisor in a Union plant for years. They never had any problems being very vocal about their actions.  You got anything to support your claim.

Different rules for different unions.  If the pilots union management actually came out and said this was a work stoppage due to the mandates and they endorsed it, I believe they would have breached their contract.  

[jg121783 3,921]

41 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Different rules for different unions.  If the pilots union management actually came out and said this was a work stoppage due to the mandates and they endorsed it, I believe they would have breached their contract.  

Not only that but in the sector they work in such strikes are actually illegal.

7 hours ago, laylalex said:

So I guess all we do now is decide that our own interpretations are correct because we feel they must be so, in spite of the airline and the union saying this had nothing to do with the mandate? I guess we do live in a post-truth universe now.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/12/1045380598/southwest-pilots-union-explains-flight-cancelations

So weather and air traffic controller issues caused problems for only one airline and not the others?

[laylalex 7,300]

13 hours ago, jg121783 said:

So weather and air traffic controller issues caused problems for only one airline and not the others?

Southwest operates on a point to point system unlike most other carriers that operate hub and spoke. When there are weather delays, point to point systems are more prone to serious knock on problems than hub and spoke. There's been a lot of reporting on this recently. 

 

I just don't know why everyone assumes they know better than what is out there right now. You know if reporting came out and said definitively that it was a sickout, and then it turned out not to be, there would be pearl clutching that the reporting was so massively wrong. If all the players involved say "this is because of X, and NOT because of Y", why not do the minimum of saying "I will wait to see if I am correct" when you doubt without anything except editorializing to back up guesswork? 

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

How many airlines operate other-than-hub-to-spoke, pray tell?

Actually, weather could potentially affect hub-and-spoke airlines more than others.  If you have a base in JFK, for example, and weather is bad in JFK, ALL FLIGHTS into JFK during that weather pattern will be affected.  

But since ALL airlines fly to hundreds of destinations daily, the chance of a weather issue only affecting one airline is about as high as... well, let's just say not very high.

[laylalex 7,300]

Just now, LIBrty4all said:

How many airlines operate other-than-hub-to-spoke, pray tell?

Actually, weather could potentially affect hub-and-spoke airlines more than others.  If you have a base in JFK, for example, and weather is bad in JFK, ALL FLIGHTS into JFK during that weather pattern will be affected.  

But since ALL airlines fly to hundreds of destinations daily, the chance of a weather issue only affecting one airline is about as high as... well, let's just say not very high.

Did you read all those articles? Wow, that was fast!!!

 

I go with what the industry and analysts say on this -- point to point is more exposed, and Southwest's union is saying their particular system is stretched thin. The Slate article goes into that. You don't even have to have a subscription to read it.