How many tries CFO until success?

[Karu4u 3]

1 minute ago, RO_AH said:

Well you basically have 1 choice. Kiss the toes of the CFO. Plead with them. beg them, do whatever it takes. If you need to take a break from thinking about it for a day and come back with a refreshed attitude, do so. It doesn't matter how tired and angry you are it is the best option in front of you.

I'm actually passed the anger etc. 

 

My fiancee finally stop crying. 

 

We are getting focused on round 2. 

 

But don't know what to do. 

 

That's why I asked here when we can turn in a new try of application? 

 

[seekingthetruth 1,246]

14 hours ago, Mike E said:

BI seems to be increasingly targeting Filipina’s leaving for  purported tourism so while it might work the chances of it working are reduced. Besides which that K-1 visa will be in her passport.  

It’s their country and they can do it they want you.  But she won’t be “young” forever.  

 

14 hours ago, Karu4u said:

She has a visiting family member schengen visa. She hot granted in to Sweden because of marriage. But they seem not interested at all in what type of visa she has. 

Her counselor had already decided she was to young to marry. Ignoring Filipino law. She just stretched it all out and demanded more papers to with us. 

We want to try again but the thought of waiting several of weeks just to try again seems so irritating. 

We were so happy when she got her schengen Visa. We thought "finally" and now they put this in us. 

 

I have been researching Thailand now. 

We have to book hotel and roundabout ticket to get in. Which means its gonna be very very expensive. On top of all the expenses we already put out. 

 

I don't know how to fight this. Everything seems impossible. 

 

 

11 hours ago, Karu4u said:

Last paper they asked for was a proof that I'm not married in Philippines. 

Which I'm not. So it was really easy to get. 

 

But that's not enough.  

 

We still haven't got got the answer but from reading everything here on other places they wont give her the CFO. 

 

Not a chance 

 

So, if she is 21 she needs to wait until she is 26 to be allowed out. According to my research. We don't want to wait 5 years ??? 

 

Because of covid I can't get to Philippines in probably another two to three years. 

 

We don't know what to do. She is crying none stop. 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, Karu4u said:

Okay I gonna clearfy all papers we submitted 

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Copy of our passports 

 

Our birth certificate 

 

Pullout from our bank accounts 

 

My divorce papers 

 

Her proof of single ship 

 

Affidavit  - notarized by PH embassy in Sweden 

 

Invitation letter - signed 

 

I'm not married in Philippines - notarized 

 

I'm not abusive or an addict signed by ex-wife - notarized 

 

Criminal record - notarized 

 

Approval from her parents - notarized 

 

Plus the rest of the requirements on CFO list on their page. I don't remember them all but video chat pictures and chat logs and so on. 

 

11 hours ago, Karu4u said:

She is 21 and I'm 38. 

 

What do you mean with "supervisor"?

I just went through all the posts to make sure I did not miss anything.  There are a few key pieces of information that might explain the CFO decision.

 

1.  She obtained a "visiting family member" Schengen visa.  Which family member is she visiting?

2.  She is 21 now.  How old was she when you met?

3.  Have you ever met in person?

4.  Does she have any previous travel outside of Philippines?

5.  What is her financial status?

 

If the answer to #3 is no, 99.9% chance she will not be approved by CFO to go to Sweden.

If #3 and #4 are No, highly unlikely she would be allowed to go to Thailand, especially to meet a stranger.  Sorry, but if you have not met in person, you are a stranger.

If the answer to #5 is less than middle class, no visible career and no visible means of income, highly unlikely that she will get a CFO for any travel.

 

If those are true, the only solution I see is for you to travel to the Philippines and meet her.  Of course, that is almost impossible right now but might clear up soon.

 

One of the purposes of CFO is to protect poor, pretty, young girls from being trafficked all over the world.  Her parents notarized permission means nothing if they are poor, because they would hope to benefit from the relationship.

 

If I am incorrect, we would be happy to hear all the details.

 

 

[Karu4u 3]

1 hour ago, seekingthetruth said:

 

 

 

 

I just went through all the posts to make sure I did not miss anything.  There are a few key pieces of information that might explain the CFO decision.

 

1.  She obtained a "visiting family member" Schengen visa.  Which family member is she visiting?

2.  She is 21 now.  How old was she when you met?

3.  Have you ever met in person?

4.  Does she have any previous travel outside of Philippines?

5.  What is her financial status?

 

If the answer to #3 is no, 99.9% chance she will not be approved by CFO to go to Sweden.

If #3 and #4 are No, highly unlikely she would be allowed to go to Thailand, especially to meet a stranger.  Sorry, but if you have not met in person, you are a stranger.

If the answer to #5 is less than middle class, no visible career and no visible means of income, highly unlikely that she will get a CFO for any travel.

 

If those are true, the only solution I see is for you to travel to the Philippines and meet her.  Of course, that is almost impossible right now but might clear up soon.

 

One of the purposes of CFO is to protect poor, pretty, young girls from being trafficked all over the world.  Her parents notarized permission means nothing if they are poor, because they would hope to benefit from the relationship.

 

If I am incorrect, we would be happy to hear all the details.

 

 

1. She obtained a "visiting family member" Schengen visa.  Which family member is she visiting?

 

Me. Her fiance. 

 

2.  She is 21 now.  How old was she when you met?

 

19. 

 

 

3.  Have you ever met in person?

 

No. 

 

 

4.  Does she have any previous travel outside of Philippines?

 

No.

 

5.  What is her financial status?

 

Middleclass 

 

 

 

So we are basically F ed

At least we know 

[seekingthetruth 1,246]

40 minutes ago, Karu4u said:

1. She obtained a "visiting family member" Schengen visa.  Which family member is she visiting?

 

Me. Her fiance. 

 

2.  She is 21 now.  How old was she when you met?

 

19. 

 

 

3.  Have you ever met in person?

 

No. 

 

 

4.  Does she have any previous travel outside of Philippines?

 

No.

 

5.  What is her financial status?

 

Middleclass 

 

 

 

So we are basically F ed

At least we know 

The CFO end has to be handled on the Philippines side.  If her parents happened to know a connected politician, maybe something can happen.  Otherwise, you need to go meet her.

Edited October 11, 2021 by seekingthetruth

[Karu4u 3]

9 minutes ago, seekingthetruth said:

The CFO end has to be handled on the Philippines side.  If her parents happened to know a connected politician, maybe something can happen.  Otherwise, you need to go meet her.

I asked. They are not originally from Manila so they don't seem to know that many who could help. 

 

Yeah, I want to go there but its impossible right now and most likely for another 2 to 3 years 

[Carpe Vinum 2,327]

21 years old. Have not met in person. Your chances of success with CFO in the current climate is nil.

[Karu4u 3]

1 minute ago, Carpe Vinum said:

21 years old. Have not met in person. Your chances of success with CFO in the current climate is nil.

Yes I understand that 

[Joe Kano 327]

6 hours ago, Karu4u said:

All I did was ask why they ignore our msg when they promise to get back to is the next day. 

 

Online marriage is not legal in Sweden. 

Can't you get  Utah Online marriage done, that will let you get into the Philippines.  Once there then get married again if you decide you really want to be married and then your home country would recognize it.   Then you could do a visa petition.

[Joe Kano 327]

1 hour ago, Karu4u said:

I asked. They are not originally from Manila so they don't seem to know that many who could help. 

 

Yeah, I want to go there but its impossible right now and most likely for another 2 to 3 years 

I think they will open up for tourism by this time next year.   

[Karu4u 3]

11 minutes ago, Joe Kano said:

Can't you get  Utah Online marriage done, that will let you get into the Philippines.  Once there then get married again if you decide you really want to be married and then your home country would recognize it.   Then you could do a visa petition.

I'm swedish citizen so that won't work. 

10 minutes ago, Joe Kano said:

I think they will open up for tourism by this time next year.   

I don't think so. We are at 89% vaccinated. Still not open for tourism outside EU/EES

[Joe Kano 327]

10 hours ago, RO_AH said:

 But you need to remember that they hold the key so you need to kiss their rear or you are doomed.  I know that this really sucks but your easiest and fastest route will be to win the hearts of the people at CFO. It's sad that you got stuck with a consular that is such an (don't want to be filtered). Just remember the culture here in the Philippines. The CFO has ALL of the power and they expect to be treated that way and you must kiss up all the way. It does not matter if you were being  "arrogant" and "inpatient" or not. 

100% Agree here.  The Philippines is just a game to be played and the winners learn how to play the game.  Kiss up, promise the world and deliver nothing.  

[Joe Kano 327]

14 minutes ago, Karu4u said:

I'm swedish citizen so that won't work. 

 

Why will that not work?  Philippines will recognize a US marriage certificate, or just about any country for that fact. It will get you visa to Philippines by being married to Philippines Citizen and satisfying the requirement of Bureau of Immigration rules.

[Karu4u 3]

Just now, Joe Kano said:

Why will that not work?  Philippines will recognize a US marriage certificate, or just about any country for that fact. It will get you visa to Philippines by being married to Philippines Citizen and satisfying the requirement of Bureau of Immigration rules.

Seriously? Sounds weird but Okay. No idea about the rules. I always thought that we needed to be citizens of any of the countries. I'll check it out then

[Karu4u 3]

10 minutes ago, Joe Kano said:

Why will that not work?  Philippines will recognize a US marriage certificate, or just about any country for that fact. It will get you visa to Philippines by being married to Philippines Citizen and satisfying the requirement of Bureau of Immigration rules.

Is the page down? Or just blocked in my country? Because I can't reach it

[Joe Kano 327]

43 minutes ago, Karu4u said:

I don't think so. We are at 89% vaccinated. Still not open for tourism outside EU/EES

I have been going to Mexico since June made 3 trips there, They were at 21% vaccine rate back in June.  They are fully open for tourism and never closed, no vaccine needed to enter, No quarantine, no covid test needed to enter, easy peasy.

 

They are very very similar to the Philippines except Mexico has much better tourist infrastructure in place and you can get a 5 star hotel for 3 star prices.

 

Lots of the world is open for tourism, and Asia is starting to open slowly and Philippines will join them.   Philippine has adopted the "I am afraid to open the door" and they have decided to curl up in the fetal position and lay in ball on the ground and hope covid goes away.   Soon they will have to realize they will have to deal with it and stop destroying their economy by shutting down.