California Becomes First State To Require Students Be Vaccinated To Attend School [merged threads]

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

8 minutes ago, laylalex said:

LOL,.  Pretty sure I read some discussion about that on here, and that the "there's no legal recourse!" thingy is just a complete misreading. I think Robert Malone even admitted he was wrong. 

 

 

 

Wait, why did I come back after two days away from here?  

 

Cannot answer the bold part.

 

But as for liability:  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html 

 

Cannot go after the plunger-pushers, either: https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/legal/prepact/Documents/PrepAct-Declaration-Amendment-FactSheet-8sept2021.pdf 

 

[TBoneTX 46,088]

God in heaven.

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COVID Tyrant Newsom Mandates Shot For All Eligible California Students

OCTOBER 1, 2021 By Jordan Davidson

 

Democrat Gov. Gavin Newsom will require any eligible K-12 students in California to get the COVID-19 shot.  Students who don't comply, whether they are enrolled in private or public school, will be barred from in-person instruction.  [...]

 

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/01/covid-tyrant-newsom-mandates-shot-for-all-eligible-california-students/  

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by TBoneTX

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

6 hours ago, laylalex said:

Comirnaty and the Pfizer vaccine are the same formulation. I think people have pointed this out more than a few times on here. 

 

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-comirnatyr-receives-full

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/verify/verify-comirnaty-formula-pfizer-biontech-vaccine/269-6907469d-8a1c-4e0d-b1d9-f5b15fa4e226

 

 

 

Jesus gal it's like Ground Hog day with these folks

[Dashinka 24,783]

11 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Commiefornia. Love it. BTW why do yall keep saying emergency use. It's fully approved and the emergency use was to just give the paperwork work time to catch up.

 

I am undecided at this point about making it mandatory outside the military for readiness reasons.

 

A warrant officer I served with just lost his 50 something year old wife to covid. He was a CWO 5 and just retired.  That is awful. 

 

Question.  Weren't you an anti vaxer before all this? Or do I have my wires crossed. 

 

Once again I can disagree with you and still hope we can respect each other 

I believe the unseen Pfizer vaccine is only fully approved down to age 17.

[Dashinka 24,783]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Jesus gal it's like Ground Hog day with these folks

So when was the Pfizer vaccine fully approved for anyone under 17?  Also, will this mandate stipulate the Pfizer shot is the only one that will be used, and full accountability and liability exist?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

So when was the Pfizer vaccine fully approved for anyone under 17?  Also, will this mandate stipulate the Pfizer shot is the only one that will be used, and full accountability and liability exist?

Sounds right. 

[jg121783 3,921]

13 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

And it a serious abridgement of our right to spread rubella, measles, mumps, polio and other diverse nasties into the general public. 

You have the right to take vaccines for all of those things. If the vaccines are effective you have nothing to worry about from people who haven't received those vaccines. You however do not have a right to force ANY medical procedure on me.

 

9 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I have decided you are just messing with me  cause I don't think you are that dense. 

 

Pfizer vaccine approved in US, marketed as Comirnaty

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-120794035019

CLAIM: There is currently no FDA-approved vial of COVID-19 vaccine available in the U.S.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Pfizer vaccine, which is now marketed as Comirnaty, is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for use by those 16 and over and is available in the U.S.

 

One Instagram post acknowledged the Comirnaty vaccine had received FDA approval, but made the false claim that the only available doses are Pfizer vials that are still just under emergency use authorization.

In fact, Comirnaty is the new brand name Pfizer is using to market its COVID-19 vaccine and there is no distinction between the two.

There may not be a physical distinction between the two (so we are told but the FDA approval paperwork will not be made public for a couple years so who knows for sure). However there is a very real legal distinction between the two as others have already pointed out. Legally speaking California will in fact be mandating an emergency use vaccine to attend public schools unless Comirnaty becomes available before the mandate starts which is highly unlikely. Also people are glazing over the fact that once a treatment gets FDA approval all emergency use treatments are supposed to be immediately discontinued. Why are all the non Pfizer covid vaccines that are only emergency use still available? By the way unless someone can tell me where I can get a vaccine labeled as "Comirnaty" the AP "fact checkers" need to check their facts.

 

9 hours ago, laylalex said:

Comirnaty and the Pfizer vaccine are the same formulation. I think people have pointed this out more than a few times on here. 

 

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-comirnatyr-receives-full

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/verify/verify-comirnaty-formula-pfizer-biontech-vaccine/269-6907469d-8a1c-4e0d-b1d9-f5b15fa4e226

 

 

 

Maybe. Maybe not. We don't know for sure because we are not allowed to see the data. But assuming they are in fact physically the same they are still legally very different.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

Not sure about the liability thing. I think its as moot point as this law has been around since around 1988. Your thoughts

 

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

 

[jg121783 3,921]

7 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Not sure about the liability thing. I think its as moot point as this law has been around since around 1988. Your thoughts

 

42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

 

It is true that since this abomination of a law was passed vaccine manufacturers have no legal liability for the products they put out (another reason to be skeptical of their products I guess). However the government pays out settlements for all vaccine injuries. I do not believe that the government or vaccine manufacturers would be liable for injuries or deaths resulting from emergency use vaccines.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

1 hour ago, jg121783 said:

You have the right to take vaccines for all of those things. If the vaccines are effective you have nothing to worry about from people who haven't received those vaccines. You however do not have a right to force ANY medical procedure on me.

 

 

Do you believe that the government should force education on your children?

Do you believe children attending classrooms should be vaccinated for the non covid reasons?

If you could obtain the post-approval branded Pfizer covid vaccine would you let you and your children take it?

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

3 hours ago, jg121783 said:

It is true that since this abomination of a law was passed vaccine manufacturers have no legal liability for the products they put out (another reason to be skeptical of their products I guess). However the government pays out settlements for all vaccine injuries. I do not believe that the government or vaccine manufacturers would be liable for injuries or deaths resulting from emergency use vaccines.

PREP Act 2021

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

3 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Do you believe that the government should force education on your children?

Do you believe children attending classrooms should be vaccinated for the non covid reasons?

If you could obtain the post-approval branded Pfizer covid vaccine would you let you and your children take it?

I had a customer today that was a PHD from the FDA that worked on the approval. Basically she said the pre and post approval vaccine are the same exact thing save a name change and liability is the same. Basically said the non approved vaccine thing was non sense 

[jg121783 3,921]

24 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I had a customer today that was a PHD from the FDA that worked on the approval. Basically she said the pre and post approval vaccine are the same exact thing save a name change and liability is the same. Basically said the non approved vaccine thing was non sense 

So a PhD from the FDA is also an attorney qualified to give a professional opinion on the legal matters involved here?

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

So a PhD from the FDA is also an attorney qualified to give a professional opinion on the legal matters involved here?

I don't think we are looking for a legal opinion, we are looking to save lives. 

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I had a customer today that was a PHD from the FDA that worked on the approval. Basically she said the pre and post approval vaccine are the same exact thing save a name change and liability is the same. Basically said the non approved vaccine thing was non sense 

I know that, you know that, all rational adults who read the news  know that, but the argument against taking the vaccine, compared to any other vaccine, is that it's not approved or you cannot get the approved "version".

 

It seems that some cannot secure their health and their families health because they have legal advice to the contrary.  Remind me to secure a lawyer to take to my next physical.