Biden says troops should be dishonorably discharged if they disobey order to get Covid vaccine

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

11 hours ago, Neonred said:

Thanks for your insight.  I don't have great knowledge about the military.  I never served.  I was young enough to avoid Vietnam, and at that special age so that when I went to register for selective service I was told they weren't doing that any more.  It sounds like they reinstated the registration some years ago.

Do NOT take that tale at face value.  Not all commanders knew what they were doing, and as such (blindly obeying orders from above), they ruined the lives of many a service member, unfortunately.  There are ALWAYS multiple sides to a story.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

7 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Do NOT take that tale at face value.  Not all commanders knew what they were doing, and as such (blindly obeying orders from above), they ruined the lives of many a service member, unfortunately.  There are ALWAYS multiple sides to a story.

Unfortunately if you choose not to follow an order, you best be able to prove at your proceeding that it is an unlawful or order or convince your superior officer or NCO to rethink the order in a respectful way.

 

I can't imagine the break down in order and discipline if every soldier got to decide to follow an order based on his feelings about it.

[Neonred 3,576]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Unfortunately if you choose not to follow an order, you best be able to prove at your proceeding that it is an unlawful or order or convince your superior officer or NCO to rethink the order in a respectful way.

 

I can't imagine the break down in order and discipline if every soldier got to decide to follow an order based on his feelings about it.

My friends say I have problems respecting authority.     

 

Probably good I was never in the military

[TBoneTX 45,537]

1 hour ago, Neonred said:

I have problems respecting authority

As long as you respect the (quite impressive) natural and earned supremacy of Central Chimpanzees, all is well.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

8 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Unfortunately if you choose not to follow an order, you best be able to prove at your proceeding that it is an unlawful or order or convince your superior officer or NCO to rethink the order in a respectful way.

 

I can't imagine the break down in order and discipline if every soldier got to decide to follow an order based on his feelings about it.

And even more unfortunately, far too many hot-headed LTs who thought they knew better than those under them simply based on their college education became CCs and screwed up many, many lives.  Good discipline and order has its place, and I agree it is essential.   But there have also been FAR too many toxic leaders in the various branches through the years.  Just because one is able to cast direct orders does not necessarily mean that one SHOULD be the one doing so.

 

But that is the most basic premise of the military... I am RIGHT simply because I have more rank than you.  Sad, but true.  It has become an institution that is just as corrupt as D.C.

Edited September 28, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

3 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

And even more unfortunately, far too many hot-headed LTs who thought they knew better than those under them simply based on their college education became CCs and screwed up many, many lives.  Good discipline and order has its place, and I agree it is essential.   But there have also been FAR too many toxic leaders in the various branches through the years.  Just because one is able to cast direct orders does not necessarily mean that one SHOULD be the one doing so.

 

But that is the most basic premise of the military... I am RIGHT simply because I have more rank than you.  Sad, but true.  It has become an institution that is just as corrupt as D.C.

Yup. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

54 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

And even more unfortunately, far too many hot-headed LTs who thought they knew better than those under them simply based on their college education became CCs and screwed up many, many lives.  Good discipline and order has its place, and I agree it is essential.   But there have also been FAR too many toxic leaders in the various branches through the years.  Just because one is able to cast direct orders does not necessarily mean that one SHOULD be the one doing so.

 

But that is the most basic premise of the military... I am RIGHT simply because I have more rank than you.  Sad, but true.  It has become an institution that is just as corrupt as D.C.

Sounds like you may have had some military experience or possibly the wife of a service member. Agree with you for the most part, but at the company level it's harder to ruin a career. 

 

In the example I stated I had to get the BDE commander to sign off. My memory is a little foggy but I think I needed the Battlion commander approval to reduce an E 5 to E6 in rank and Bde commander to reduce E7 or above or possibly a court martial. 

 

I was talking about larger scale orders like those put out by division or above.

 

I do agree I think there is wholesale attack on the military to turn it into a woke bunch of loyalist.  This may sound like a wing nut theory, but I think the ultimate goal are commanders that would have no problem turning on our citizens. 

Edited September 29, 2021 by Nature Boy 2.0

[TBoneTX 45,537]

5 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I think the ultimate goal are commanders that would have no problem turning on our citizens. 

They're having to try a LOT harder to achieve all this, thanks to our Second Amendment.  Just think if we didn't have it; our citizens voluntarily surrendered their firearms as in Australia; or both...

[Dashinka 24,598]

11 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Sounds like you may have had some military experience or possibly the wife of a service member. Agree with you for the most part, but at the company level it's harder to ruin a career. 

 

In the example I stated I had to get the BDE commander to sign off. My memory is a little foggy but I think I needed the Battlion commander approval to reduce an E 5 to E6 in rank and Bde commander to reduce E7 or above or possibly a court martial. 

 

I was talking about larger scale orders like those put out by division or above.

 

I do agree I think there is wholesale attack on the military to turn it into a woke bunch of loyalist.  This may sound like a wing nut theory, but I think the ultimate goal are commanders that would have no problem turning on our citizens. 

God help us all if that is what the Dems are doing.