Biden says troops should be dishonorably discharged if they disobey order to get Covid vaccine

[Neonred 3,514]

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Do you think they really believe all this nonsense or do you think they just can't admit they are wrong.

To be clear, I am not among the group that insists everyone get vaccinated or else (we make your life miserable).   A dishonorable discharge for not taking the vaccine seems terrible to me.  Firing healthcare workers that risked their lives during the pandemic prior to the availability of a vaccine if they don't get vaccinated, when many of them did get COVID and have antibodies is WRONG.  

 

I do think many people are, however, making poor choices due to fear and confusion from the media, the government conflicting statements, and the hysteria put out there by a small radical group.

 

 

[Neonred 3,514]

22 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Thanks for making me feal like the wurst spaeler in the fourum.  Speeling korekted by NB... IS there a worse shame in the world?

 

Comirnaty

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Now use it in a sentence - 

 

"I will not allow Comirnaty to enter my body. until I actually believe in its efficacy and safety."

 

Again - 

 

"Cominarty is a more better word than Comirnaty."

Thanks.  I was somehow thinking it was Commievaxy, but perhaps I'm thinking of the one that is made in China.

[yuna628 9,646]

3 minutes ago, Neonred said:

To be clear, I am not among the group that insists everyone get vaccinated or else (we make your life miserable).   A dishonorable discharge for not taking the vaccine seems terrible to me.  Firing healthcare workers that risked their lives during the pandemic prior to the availability of a vaccine if they don't get vaccinated, when many of them did get COVID and have antibodies is WRONG.  

 

I do think many people are, however, making poor choices due to fear and confusion from the media, the government conflicting statements, and the hysteria put out there by a small radical group.

 

 

Can an officer be discharged for refusing ANY of the multiple vaccines they are ordered to receive? I think the article here makes it clear there are consequences for saying you'll do anything for your country but you won't do that. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/military-service-members-refuse-covid-vaccine-dishonorably-discharged-pentagon-army-navy-marines-air-force/65-49376a02-e341-4d79-9f26-7873980657ec

 

As for firing healthcare workers, I'd ask exactly what are you in healthcare for to begin with? That may seem like a very harsh attitude from me, but my patience meter has run out about the subject. All of the healthcare workers I know take it very seriously, and they are serious about protecting themselves and the critical patients they care for every day. What if you decided that you didn't feel like disinfecting instruments, that it was perfectly healthy to share needles, and basic sanitary measures for your profession was completely overblown? Maybe you were convinced that numbing agents and accepted treatments were poisonous? Should you still be allowed to continue practicing? Should patients have to suffer the consequences of your poor choices. It is not a shame to me that individuals may lose their jobs because of the consequences of their actions, it is only a shame to me that they have chosen to rely on fear and ignorance to guide them.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

14 minutes ago, Neonred said:

Thanks.  I was somehow thinking it was Commievaxy, but perhaps I'm thinking of the one that is made in China.

10+ funny

[Neonred 3,514]

18 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Can an officer be discharged for refusing ANY of the multiple vaccines they are ordered to receive? I think the article here makes it clear there are consequences for saying you'll do anything for your country but you won't do that. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/military-service-members-refuse-covid-vaccine-dishonorably-discharged-pentagon-army-navy-marines-air-force/65-49376a02-e341-4d79-9f26-7873980657ec

 

As for firing healthcare workers, I'd ask exactly what are you in healthcare for to begin with? That may seem like a very harsh attitude from me, but my patience meter has run out about the subject. All of the healthcare workers I know take it very seriously, and they are serious about protecting themselves and the critical patients they care for every day. What if you decided that you didn't feel like disinfecting instruments, that it was perfectly healthy to share needles, and basic sanitary measures for your profession was completely overblown? Maybe you were convinced that numbing agents and accepted treatments were poisonous? Should you still be allowed to continue practicing? Should patients have to suffer the consequences of your poor choices. It is not a shame to me that individuals may lose their jobs because of the consequences of their actions, it is only a shame to me that they have chosen to rely on fear and ignorance to guide them.

As I said, I am for vaccinations, but "get vaccinated or we will ruin your life" seems to be the wrong approach.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

1 hour ago, Neonred said:

As I said, I am for vaccinations, but "get vaccinated or we will ruin your life" seems to be the wrong approach.

Not for the military.  There are plenty of other vaccines you have to take to be deployable asset.  If you are not mission capable,  you are no good to the military. 

 

As a company commander during Desert Storm.I had this same issue.  Don't take your shots goodbye.  Zero sympathy for those that flush their career down the drain over this.

I had a soldier refuse his shots. He stayed back at post while we deployed.  Coward poc went and took his shots when we returned. To try to save his job. I hand walked his separation papers to the general.  Almost got aroused kicking his yellow butt out

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

14 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 

You are wrong so much and so often we should just assume anything you post is wrong and save our self they trouble of pointing out your tin foilindess passion 

 

 

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

 

Fact check: FDA has fully approved Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/26/fact-check-fda-fully-approved-pfizers-coronavirus-vaccine/5594543001/

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am NOT wrong.  As usual, you missed a couple of KEY WORDS in my post.  Reading comprehension is tough, sideways up in the MDL, eh?

Show me where & when the first does of Comirnaty was administered.  I'll wait patiently for your answer.

Edited September 27, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

11 hours ago, Neonred said:

To be clear, I am not among the group that insists everyone get vaccinated or else (we make your life miserable).   A dishonorable discharge for not taking the vaccine seems terrible to me.  Firing healthcare workers that risked their lives during the pandemic prior to the availability of a vaccine if they don't get vaccinated, when many of them did get COVID and have antibodies is WRONG.  

 

I do think many people are, however, making poor choices due to fear and confusion from the media, the government conflicting statements, and the hysteria put out there by a small radical group.

 

 

I am sorta with you, except the military part. Not gonna keep repeating but it's about military readiness.  They don't get to pick and choose what vaccines they get. A DD is a bit extreme.  

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

35 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am NOT wrong.  As usual, you missed a couple of KEY WORDS in my post.  Reading comprehension is tough, sideways up in the MDL, eh?

Show me where & when the first does of Comirnaty was administered.  I'll wait patiently for your answer.

I think back around the first of the year. Same exact drug, just like must drugs it got its marketing name after full fda approval. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

 Are Pfizer and Comirnaty the same? What to know about COVID vaccine name change

 

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article253765538.html

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

9 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I think back around the first of the year. Same exact drug, just like must drugs it got its marketing name after full fda approval. 

Again, you are incorrect.  Not one single does of Comirnaty has been administered, and it's doubtful there will be one this year.  Maybe next, but we will have to wait and see.

 

The only drugs that have been administered are EUA drugs that carry zero liability for the manufacturers, regardless of what you claimed above.  It's called the PREP act.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html 

Edited September 27, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[Carpe Vinum 2,327]

It should be General-Under Honorable Conditions at the worst. I am pro vaccine but I understand some people have reservations. As a veteran this kind of POs me a little.

[Carpe Vinum 2,327]

21 hours ago, Neonred said:

As I said, I am for vaccinations, but "get vaccinated or we will ruin your life" seems to be the wrong approach.

Bingo.

[Carpe Vinum 2,327]

20 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Not for the military.  There are plenty of other vaccines you have to take to be deployable asset.  If you are not mission capable,  you are no good to the military. 

 

As a company commander during Desert Storm.I had this same issue.  Don't take your shots goodbye.  Zero sympathy for those that flush their career down the drain over this.

I had a soldier refuse his shots. He stayed back at post while we deployed.  Coward poc went and took his shots when we returned. To try to save his job. I hand walked his separation papers to the general.  Almost got aroused kicking his yellow butt out

I agree with your sentiments. If someone refuses to take the vaccine and it makes them "not mission capable" they should be processed for discharge. The DD is just a step too far in this situation. I do know some first Gulf War serviceman who were vaccinated with some dicey anthrax vaccines. I have seen some dirtbags weasel out with a General Discharge and hold on to their VA benefits. At times it turned my stomach.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Carpe Vinum

[Neonred 3,514]

On 9/26/2021 at 1:25 PM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Not for the military.  There are plenty of other vaccines you have to take to be deployable asset.  If you are not mission capable,  you are no good to the military. 

 

As a company commander during Desert Storm.I had this same issue.  Don't take your shots goodbye.  Zero sympathy for those that flush their career down the drain over this.

I had a soldier refuse his shots. He stayed back at post while we deployed.  Coward poc went and took his shots when we returned. To try to save his job. I hand walked his separation papers to the general.  Almost got aroused kicking his yellow butt out

Thanks for your insight.  I don't have great knowledge about the military.  I never served.  I was young enough to avoid Vietnam, and at that special age so that when I went to register for selective service I was told they weren't doing that any more.  It sounds like they reinstated the registration some years ago.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Neonred