COVID Vaccine Proponents Need to Remember the Thalidomide Tragedy

[TBoneTX 45,572]

 

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COVID Vaccine Proponents Need to Remember the Thalidomide Tragedy

by Shawn Waugh - September 12, 2021

 

[...] Should Everyone Get The Jab?

Is this good practice?  We just do not have enough data to say that it is.  But most likely it is not.  A mainstay in the practice of medicine is assessing the risks versus the benefits.  If the risks of taking a medicine or of having a procedure outweigh the benefits then the general consensus is to not move forward with treatment.  This basic linchpin of medicine has been lost in the sauce of the COVID-19 debate.  [...]

 

https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/12/covid-vaccine-proponents-need-to-remember-the-thalidomide-tragedy/  

 

[Dashinka 24,629]

Yep.

[Rosalind F 178]

Somehow this author forgot to mention that COVID-19 disease in pregnant people is associated with significantly higher risk of many conditions including maternal mortality, preeclampsia, and preterm birth. 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2779182

 

 

Thalidomide story had changed the regulatory landscape in so many aspects including the clinical trials design and reporting laws. Clinical research is conducted with all these laws and regulations in mind. So yeah, I don't think anybody forgot thalidomide. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

Anti vaxers need to remember the Polio epidemic and how a Vax stooped it cold

[Dashinka 24,629]

26 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Anti vaxers need to remember the Polio epidemic and how a Vax stooped it cold

So the Covid19 virus in the no the flu, it is polio?

[TBoneTX 45,572]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

remember the Polio epidemic and how a Vax stooped it cold

The first polio vaccine actually caused polio.

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

stooped it cold

Is this when someone drops an ice cube and bends to retrieve it?  

[SLV123 40]

Let’s not ignore his misinformation:

 

“Keep in mind that there are now countless millions of individuals who have contracted COVID-19 and survived. Those individuals will now have a natural immunity that does not require vaccination and appears to be superior to it. “

 

The above opinion is not backed by any study and completely contradicted by Israel real population examples.

 

 

“Have the vaccines shown efficacy in stopping COVID-19?

Stopping, no. Diminishing symptoms and hospitalizations, yes. As someone who is actively treating hospitalized COVID-19 patients, I cannot deny that a majority of those currently admitted are unvaccinated. This is a fact.”

 

I kind of liked that part, he mixes fact with more fiction…

I don’t recall anyone PROMISING the vaccine would eradicate COVID- I - recall that the push was to lessen hospitalization. 

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

5 hours ago, SLV123 said:

Let’s not ignore his misinformation:

 

“Keep in mind that there are now countless millions of individuals who have contracted COVID-19 and survived. Those individuals will now have a natural immunity that does not require vaccination and appears to be superior to it. “

 

The above opinion is not backed by any study and completely contradicted by Israel real population examples.

 

 

“Have the vaccines shown efficacy in stopping COVID-19?

Stopping, no. Diminishing symptoms and hospitalizations, yes. As someone who is actively treating hospitalized COVID-19 patients, I cannot deny that a majority of those currently admitted are unvaccinated. This is a fact.”

 

I kind of liked that part, he mixes fact with more fiction…

I don’t recall anyone PROMISING the vaccine would eradicate COVID- I - recall that the push was to lessen hospitalization. 

You're right, it's NOT backed by any study.  Well, except the study of humans and their natural immunity to ALL diseases such as covid for the past 1,000 years.

Yes, natural immunity happens.  Yes, it is far more effective than ANY man-made drug.  

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

Here's some more facts about polio, for those who think it has been eradicated.

 

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Although as much as 95 percent of polio infections are asymptomatic, people are infectious even without displaying symptoms. Symptoms of a polio infection can include fever, vomiting, back and neck pain, and muscle weakness. Referred to as nonparalytic polio, this type of polio infection can last up to 10 days and most people are able to recover completely. There also exists a milder form, known as abortive polio, where symptoms are so mild that they may be mistaken for the flu. These types of polio account for around 4-8 percent of infections. 

 

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However, up to 2 percent of polio cases result in paralytic polio, which results in paralysis in the brainstem, spinal cord, or both. According to the WHO, among those with paralytic polio 5-10 percent die as a result of immobilized breathing muscles. 

That's 2% of POLIO CASES, not 2% of the population.

https://www.grunge.com/259929/the-messed-up-history-of-polio/

Also, covid is here to stay.  As in forever.  Just like the cold, the flu, etc.  We will all eventually get it.  And most of us (~98% or more) will survive.  

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

10 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

The first polio vaccine actually caused polio.

Not too many people remember this.  But I am old enough to do so.  In fact, I refused to vaccinate my children while this was the norm.  Later, when the vaccine was changed, and the risk reduced by about 95%, I allowed my kids to be vaccinated.   #winning

[SLV123 40]

16 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

You're right, it's NOT backed by any study.  Well, except the study of humans and their natural immunity to ALL diseases such as covid for the past 1,000 years.

Yes, natural immunity happens.  Yes, it is far more effective than ANY man-made drug

Wow!

I guess natural immunity failed these folks!

Coronavirus Death Toll

4,652,269 deaths

4,652,269 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of September 14, 2021, 02:57 GMT.

Wait!

Let me get John Hopkins counter :

TOTAL DEATHS 

4,638,578

 

Or are there counters also not significant to you?

Or should we shrug and say: Oh well, that’s life? These humans just did not have that good old natural immunity. 

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

2 hours ago, SLV123 said:

Wow!

I guess natural immunity failed these folks!

Coronavirus Death Toll

4,652,269 deaths

4,652,269 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of September 14, 2021, 02:57 GMT.

Wait!

Let me get John Hopkins counter :

TOTAL DEATHS 

4,638,578

 

Or are there counters also not significant to you?

Or should we shrug and say: Oh well, that’s life? These humans just did not have that good old natural immunity. 

7,789,304,500 have survived covid.  

The number you quote is inflated, though by how much, we will never know.  But even using your inflated numerator, 4,638,578 / 7,789,304,500 is... 0.0596% of the world's population.  1 in 1,679 deaths are covid (using the monetarily-inflated published covid numbers).  The true number is way lower, but who knows?  1 in 2,000?  1 in 3,000?  1 in 5,000?

 

Meanwhile, here are some deaths from other causes, putting covid at around #14.  

 

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/

People die every day, from hundreds of causes.  Why are we focusing on covid?  Is it significant?  What about AIDS?  What about cancer?  What about heart disease?  What about... OBESITY?  Opioid death?  MVA?

 

 

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

 

[SLV123 40]

56 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

People die every day, from hundreds of causes.  Why are we focusing on covid?  Is it significant?  What about AIDS?  What about cancer?  What about heart disease?  What about... OBESITY?  Opioid death?  MVA?

Here’s another one to add:

More kids were shot in Chicago than have died from COVID-19 nationwide

 

According to the American Medical Association 

“With approximately 40,000 Americans dying from firearm-related injuries each year in the United States, we need bold action to confront this public health crisis. Most of these deaths are preventable, and now is the time for lawmakers, policy leaders and advocates on all sides to seek common ground and save lives.”

[Dashinka 24,629]

3 hours ago, SLV123 said:

Here’s another one to add:

More kids were shot in Chicago than have died from COVID-19 nationwide

 

According to the American Medical Association 

“With approximately 40,000 Americans dying from firearm-related injuries each year in the United States, we need bold action to confront this public health crisis. Most of these deaths are preventable, and now is the time for lawmakers, policy leaders and advocates on all sides to seek common ground and save lives.”

Yep, more government intrusion into our lives all for public health and social justice.  Government elite love power.