Fauci Struggles to Explain Why People With Natural Immunity Should Take Vax: 'I Don't Have A Really Firm Answer For You On That'

[jg121783 3,921]

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62533

 

"Anthony Fauci on Friday struggled to explain why people with natural immunity should take Big Pharma's experimental shots considering a study out of Israel showed people with natural immunity have far more robust protection from the virus.

"That's a really good point... I don't have a really firm answer for you on that," Fauci said.

 

Fauci went on to claim we don't know how long natural immunity will last but failed to highlight that "vaccine" effectiveness against infection and hospitalization is rapidly waning and that's why he's already pushing for everyone to get booster shots.

During the same interview, Fauci said he thought Biden's tyrannical vaccine mandate was "moderate" and he would order everyone to take Big Pharma's experimental injections in order to have a job."

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

My best work buddy's daughter in law got it.

 

Check this out. It was the 2nd time she got it and was fully vaccinated.  

 

I think its possible some are more prone than others and there is still a lot we don't know.

[TBoneTX 45,910]

So force everyone to get vaccinated/boosted regardless of knowledge or personal health status!   

[SLV123 40]

Natural immunity is the result of having Covid (which my father died of).

What action has Israel taken with all their studies? Nowhere will you find that Israel pursued people getting  ‘natural’ immunity by getting sick

 

Israel provided their population a 3rd vaccination - to AVOID having patients overwhelming their hospitals.

 

And there’s one other salient point, and maybe the most helpful part of the study from Israel:

The preprint summary clearly states that 

individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

 

Fauci may not be able to fully explain what’s occurring with this novel virus but who can object  to a scientist trying to help protect people from this devastating virus?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

19 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

So force everyone to get vaccinated/boosted regardless of knowledge or personal health status!   

Yep, that is what I am seeing on the socials. Not to mention the WHO thinks that it is selfish the USA call for boosters when we need to be worried about everyone getting vaccinated first

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

19 hours ago, SLV123 said:

The preprint summary clearly states that 

individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

 

Just because it's printed on a label does not make it true.  In fact, there is NO WAY to know if it's true or not.  Just like much of what is being touted about covid and "vaccines". 

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

On 9/11/2021 at 12:43 PM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

My best work buddy's daughter in law got it.

 

Check this out. It was the 2nd time she got it and was fully vaccinated.  

 

I think its possible some are more prone than others and there is still a lot we don't know.

And there you have it.  Eventually, we are ALL going to get it.  Covid will never be "eradicated" any more than the other SARS diseases are.  Even though it was man-made, it is here to stay, I am afraid.

[SLV123 40]

1 hour ago, LIBrty4all said:

Just because it's printed on a label does not make it true.  In fact, there is NO WAY to know if it's true or not.  Just like much of what is being touted about covid and "vaccines". 

I recommend that you inform yourself before making an assumption of what i shared so I will take the time that you didn’t take by sharing facts:

 

In academic publishing, a preprint is a version of a scholarly or scientific paper that precedes formal peer review and publication in a peer-reviewed scholarly or scientific journal. The preprint may be available, often as a non-typeset version available free, before or after a paper is published in a journal.

 

When you question the science of vaccines you are asking to go back in time. Is that what you’re proposing?

[Dashinka 24,731]

On 9/12/2021 at 3:45 AM, SLV123 said:

Natural immunity is the result of having Covid (which my father died of).

What action has Israel taken with all their studies? Nowhere will you find that Israel pursued people getting  ‘natural’ immunity by getting sick

 

Israel provided their population a 3rd vaccination - to AVOID having patients overwhelming their hospitals.

 

And there’s one other salient point, and maybe the most helpful part of the study from Israel:

The preprint summary clearly states that 

individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

 

Fauci may not be able to fully explain what’s occurring with this novel virus but who can object  to a scientist trying to help protect people from this devastating virus?

I don't think anyone suggested "COVID19 Parties" like what many people used to do with childhood diseases such as mumps, measles, or chicken pox.  The simple fact is there are nearly 32 million people that have had a confirmed case of Covid19 and recovered.  Why are these folks not counted as being somewhat protected like those that have received the experimental vaccines?  There is as much speculation among the experts as to the long-term efficacy of the vaccines as there is on natural immunity, and the jury is still out.  As others have said, Covid19 (or as I call it, the Fauci virus) is here to stay, we need more research on therapeutics without the political narrative even more so than the vaccines that are also killing people. 

[SLV123 40]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Why are these folks not counted as being somewhat protected like those that have received the experimental vaccines? 

1. Hmm…not counted? Those are the ones being counted with ‘natural immunity’. They get Covid again, too, I know a few people in that statistic and for one South African, the second time was way scarier than the first, and yes he is vaccinated to prevent a third time. The people that I know who’ve gotten Covid after vaccination have primarily suffered a mild response not requiring hospitalization.

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

the vaccines that are also killing people. 

C’mon, what’s your source of that misinformation? When people give incorrect information as facts instead of obvious falsehoods, is there a moderator on this site? I rarely comment on any social media, but here, when fake opinions can be deadly, I must. Israel was able to show a significant decline in their Covid cases and to also reduce hospitalization.  That’s what’s documented in the preprint, and we’re just waiting for the data to be fully published in a peer reviewed journal (I read somewhere it will be JAMA)

 

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

we need more research on therapeutics

On this we agree. But for now, the numbers show, effective preventive public health measures include masks and vaccines and those that ridicule, condemn or deny that are not only harming themselves but the rest of us. 
 

[Dashinka 24,731]

19 minutes ago, SLV123 said:

1. Hmm…not counted? Those are the ones being counted with ‘natural immunity’. They get Covid again, too, I know a few people in that statistic and for one South African, the second time was way scarier than the first, and yes he is vaccinated to prevent a third time. The people that I know who’ve gotten Covid after vaccination have primarily suffered a mild response not requiring hospitalization.

C’mon, what’s your source of that misinformation? When people give incorrect information as facts instead of obvious falsehoods, is there a moderator on this site? I rarely comment on any social media, but here, when fake opinions can be deadly, I must. Israel was able to show a significant decline in their Covid cases and to also reduce hospitalization.  That’s what’s documented in the preprint, and we’re just waiting for the data to be fully published in a peer reviewed journal (I read somewhere it will be JAMA)

 

On this we agree. But for now, the numbers show, effective preventive public health measures include masks and vaccines and those that ridicule, condemn or deny that are not only harming themselves but the rest of us. 
 

So you know one person that caught Covid twice and the second time was worse, and those vaccinated suffered primarily mild effects.  That seems to indicate that some who were vaccinated suffered somewhat more serious effects.  The anecdotal stories are all over the place, there is no silver bullet at all, and the information coming from the government is less than trustworthy.  It is clear that there have been some very serious side-effects from the vaccine especially with certain demographics, there is plenty of information out there, and something like 350,000 cases of myocarditis in teen agers and another 450,000 serious side-effects other than myocarditis, the link does not say how many of those ended in death, but there are those as well, just look at the other thread.  In the end, the choice to get vaccinated should be a decision between an individual and their Dr., not some government directed mandate or forced rules on the private sector.  

 

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210802/after-nearly-9-million-pfizer-shots-for-us-teens-serious-side-effects-rare-cdc

 

 

[SLV123 40]

14 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

and something like 350,000 cases of myocarditis in teen agers

your article says 9% of 9,240 adverse reactions were related to myocarditis (rounding up that’s 832 people)  please share your source showing 350,000. 

Most cases of myocarditis occur after the second shot, most cases are labeled ‘benign’, and they are investigating whether 1 shot is sufficient for that age group. And most importantly, they are letting science and statistics drive the recommendation, not fear and disinformation.
 

I’m a firm believer in public health. If people actually consulted their Dr’s about getting the vaccine, we’d probably be having a different conversation. 

[Dashinka 24,731]

4 minutes ago, SLV123 said:

your article says 9% of 9,240 adverse reactions were related to myocarditis (rounding up that’s 832 people)  please share your source showing 350,000. 

Most cases of myocarditis occur after the second shot, most cases are labeled ‘benign’, and they are investigating whether 1 shot is sufficient for that age group. And most importantly, they are letting science and statistics drive the recommendation, not fear and disinformation.
 

I’m a firm believer in public health. If people actually consulted their Dr’s about getting the vaccine, we’d probably be having a different conversation. 

Extrapolation out to the entire population as the current reporting system is much like a political poll.  The numbers are or will be all over the place.  I have personally heard stories of people being advised by their Drs. to not get the vaccine as their antibodies and other immunity markers are present.  Like anything else we get in the news or via the CDC, anecdotal at best.  The simple fact is the public health aspect of this pandemic has been politicized from the very start, and is continuing today.  We keep hearing it is all Trump supporters against the vaccine, and that is simply media/Democrat mis-information.  Weren't those same entities railing against or questioning the vaccine only a year ago?  We keep hearing the vaccine is the only way we can get to the mythical "zero-Covid" which is in fact a myth.  The virus is not polio or smallpox, the simple fact that we are dealing with a myriad of variants from the past two years means it is going to become a regular thing that we will need to live with.  

[TBoneTX 45,910]

2 hours ago, SLV123 said:

When people give incorrect information as facts instead of obvious falsehoods, is there a moderator on this site?

Unlike on the large national sites, varying opinions expressed within the VJ Terms of Service are not censored.

2 hours ago, SLV123 said:

fake opinions can be deadly

And respectful open debate within the arena of ideas is healthy.

[SLV123 40]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

the past two years means it is going to become a regular thing that we will need to live with

1. My father died of Covid, it hit him early and within 4 days he was gone.

2. I am a proponent of staying informed as science gathers more data on how we can best live with this disease. Today’s headline:

For those who have put off getting vaccinated because they’ve already been infected with the coronavirus, a growing body of evidence suggests vaccination plus natural immunity leads to particularly robust protection, including against variants of the virus.

3. Remember the math teacher said, please show your work? Please share your extrapolation equation that somehow the entire population (of American male teenagers?) resulted in 350,000 impacted by myocarditis, to support your ‘statement’. (Full disclosure: I am a seeker of substantiated data. I am a data analyst by trade.)