New Travel Rules Starting Today

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As usual few details.

Edited September 5, 2021 by RO_AH

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Green List:

American Samoa, Anguilla, Australia, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cayman Islands, Chad, China, Comoros, Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Gabon, Grenada, Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region of China), Hungary, Mali, Federated States of Micronesia, Montserrat, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niger, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Poland, Saba, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Sierra Leone, Sint Eustatius, Slovakia and Taiwan.

 

No word on yellow and red list yet.

[flicks1998 1,044]

5 minutes ago, RO_AH said:

Green List:

American Samoa, Anguilla, Australia, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cayman Islands, Chad, China, Comoros, Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Gabon, Grenada, Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region of China), Hungary, Mali, Federated States of Micronesia, Montserrat, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niger, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Poland, Saba, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Sierra Leone, Sint Eustatius, Slovakia and Taiwan.

 

No word on yellow and red list yet.

My friend who lives in the PI on an SRRV and hasn’t been back since last August just wrote me and said the only feasible countries on the green list are Hungary, Slovakia and Poland and it’s likely those 3 will drop off the green list soon. Supposedly green list countries have a 7 day quarantine. Other countries on the green list you would have to connect through an orange or red list country which means a longer quarantine. He’s given up on the PI. Said he’s off to Mexico again at end of the month. 
 

I would imagine yellow and red countries would have longer quarantine periods but need to double check that. Maybe it’s 10 days for yellow countries. Will check. Impossible to keep up with their changes. 
 

 

[flicks1998 1,044]

Looks like yellow and red countries have a similar quarantine period.  10 days in a hotel plus 4 days at home.  Green country arrivals who are vaccinated have a 7 day quarantine, 10 days who are not.

 

That looks like the only difference, but if your not going until October, that still leave times for 2-3 more changes.   

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@flicks1998 It's all ridiculous. For example, they base it on the country. I am in Hawaii, with thousands of miles separating me from mainland US. Our case rate is much lower than mainland US but it throws us in the category. All of this stuff is stupid in all countries and leaders just make stuff up as they go along. In Hawaii it was just in the news that only 3% of the deaths WITH covid were caused by covid alone. So we have had 18 deaths that were actual covid deaths. They also admitted (as an example) if you had a horrible motorcycle accident and arrived at the hospital in critical condition and tested positive for covid and died due to your injuries you would be classified as a covid death. In what world does that make sense? 

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4 minutes ago, flicks1998 said:

That looks like the only difference, but if your not going until October, that still leave times for 2-3 more changes.   

All along that has been my fear about buying tickets. It could be the day before my flight and I not be allowed because they found the new 335th variant and I have not been vaccinated and had my 15 booster shots.

 

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3 minutes ago, RO_AH said:

@flicks1998 It's all ridiculous. For example, they base it on the country. I am in Hawaii, with thousands of miles separating me from mainland US. Our case rate is much lower than mainland US but it throws us in the category. All of this stuff is stupid in all countries and leaders just make stuff up as they go along. In Hawaii it was just in the news that only 3% of the deaths WITH covid were caused by covid alone. So we have had 18 deaths that were actual covid deaths. They also admitted (as an example) if you had a horrible motorcycle accident and arrived at the hospital in critical condition and tested positive for covid and died due to your injuries you would be classified as a covid death. In what world does that make sense? 

There is no logic with whats going on in the Philippines.  Most islands throughout the world are doing much better than other "mainland" countries.  When Thailand decided to reopen, they used Phuket and Koh Samui to do it because it was much easier because they are both islands.  But the country of 7,000+ islands cant figured out a logical way to reopen.

 

I posted in another thread that Manial is looking at going to GCQ but having 4 levels (Level 1, 2 ,3 and 4).  But it wouldnt be broken down by Barangay, but could be broken down by a few houses or a street, etc.   Its just crazy.  My friend has given up although he will have to get back to close down his house.  He doesnt want to spend 10 days in quarantine, plus in some areas (and I believe where he lives) he has to wear a mask outside while exercising, plus other restrictions.  

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2 minutes ago, flicks1998 said:

I posted in another thread that Manial is looking at going to GCQ but having 4 levels (Level 1, 2 ,3 and 4).  But it wouldnt be broken down by Barangay, but could be broken down by a few houses or a street, etc.   Its just crazy.

Yes, just pure stupidity. They could have a typhoon tomorrow and wipe out more people than Covid in 1 day. Yet they spend almost 2 years decimating the country over a severe flu.

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Yellow are countries with 50 to 500 cases per 100 000 people during 28 days. Red are cases over 500 during 28 days. US and most European countries are not on green list

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5 hours ago, RO_AH said:

@flicks1998 It's all ridiculous. For example, they base it on the country. I am in Hawaii, with thousands of miles separating me from mainland US. Our case rate is much lower than mainland US but it throws us in the category. All of this stuff is stupid in all countries and leaders just make stuff up as they go along. In Hawaii it was just in the news that only 3% of the deaths WITH covid were caused by covid alone. So we have had 18 deaths that were actual covid deaths. They also admitted (as an example) if you had a horrible motorcycle accident and arrived at the hospital in critical condition and tested positive for covid and died due to your injuries you would be classified as a covid death. In what world does that make sense? 

Died of Covid, hospital gets federally reimbursed for coronavirus related care.  Get squished by a semi while riding a motorcycle, not so much.

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It really does make buying tickets in advance very difficult.

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On 9/6/2021 at 10:51 AM, boris64 said:

It really does make buying tickets in advance very difficult.

Tell me about it I purchased tickets just this mess hit the world for a Christmas trip in 2020, I keep having to reschedule the trip lucky it's free and unlimited for now.  

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The Philippines has already extended their State of Calamity until September 2022.  Digging more into the details, they do not plan to fully restart their domestic tourism until sometime in 2022 once the rate of vaccination increases with international tourism starting sometime after that.  Some feel that there is no way international tourism starts until next September, however depending how things go, I think at the very earliest it could be is around April. 

 

Tourism is not a huge cash generator like other countries in the region.  In fact it only makes up around 2.7% of GDP.  Given that, the Philippines has seen a tripling of tourists over the last decade, but many of those tourists have been expats moving in with international companies or Chinese.  Everyone enters on a 9a before switching over to a work visa.  Compared to other Asian countries, the Philippines lags behind Singapore, Thailand, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Macau, China, South Korea, and Japan in # of arrivals and listed in no particular order.  They are just ahead of Cambodia.  This is due to a poor geographic location, lack of a tourist infrastructure, better value for money spent in many of those countries, as well as the Philippines not marketing their only competitive advantage which are pristine beaches.  Regional countries offer far superior food and shopping.

 

 

Edited September 11, 2021 by flicks1998

[RO_AH 1,662]

So there is no official "yellow" list. They say that if you are not in the red or green list, you are in the yellow.

 

Red List:

Azerbaijan, Guadeloupe, Guam, Israel, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Saint Lucia, and Switzerland.

 

Green List:

American Samoa, Anguilla, Australia, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cayman Islands, Chad, China, Comoros, Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Gabon, Grenada, Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region of China), Hungary, Mali, Federated States of Micronesia, Montserrat, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niger, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Poland, Saba, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Sierra Leone, Sint Eustatius, Slovakia and Taiwan.

[flicks1998 1,044]

3 hours ago, RO_AH said:

So there is no official "yellow" list. They say that if you are not in the red or green list, you are in the yellow.

 

Red List:

Azerbaijan, Guadeloupe, Guam, Israel, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Saint Lucia, and Switzerland.

 

Green List:

American Samoa, Anguilla, Australia, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cayman Islands, Chad, China, Comoros, Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Gabon, Grenada, Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region of China), Hungary, Mali, Federated States of Micronesia, Montserrat, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niger, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Poland, Saba, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Sierra Leone, Sint Eustatius, Slovakia and Taiwan.

The list is not followed that closely. Technically the US should be in the Red list but it’s not. Based on the criteria set by the Philippine government, if the US has over 59000 average daily cases over a 28 day period, it would be on the red list. The US has averaged about 150000 per day. Many other countries on the so called green list shouldn’t be on there as well. 
 

For the US to be on the green list they would have to have less than 5900 average daily cases over a 28 day period. That is impossible unless the US just stops testing. 
 

Many countries on the green list are countries who just don’t do any testing. That’s why the red, yellow and green list is a farce. But it makes it difficult for people to know when a country may fall on a certain Color as it’s just arbitrary. 

Edited September 11, 2021 by flicks1998