Candace Owens denied medical treatment as Colorado lab cancels COVID test appointment

[yuna628 9,646]

8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

A medical diagnostic test is not part of medical care?  So medical insurance should not pay for any medical diagnostic tests?

Insurances can and have refused to do medical tests. Heck, insurances can and still do refuse to cover or pay for a whole host of things.

6 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Yes we have, and the parallels are there, even if people refuse to see them or to admit that the gay cake thing was wrong.  It was, and still is today.

 

Just as you are wrong... a covid test is a medical treatment.  It may not be surgery, but it's not like one can run down to Home Depot and buy it and DIY.  

 

From the article:

 

 

A COVID test is not medical treatment. It is a test to determine if you require treatment. And one can 'run down' to your local pharmacy, Walmart, even Prime it to your house and do it at home. Aspen Labs is a private facility and they can set the rules of that facility how they please, yes, even denying service to a customer. Doctors can and DO deny service to patients or discharge them from their practices for a variety of reasons - and in this COVID-era, patients can be ejected from a practice if they fail to wear a mask, obey rules of the office, or harass others in the office. It does not matter if we both feel that Owens should have been denied the service. Ethically, I certainly would not do that to anyone. But I am not the practice owner. And as they state on their website, as a privately funded business they are under no obligation to provide their services.

5 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

The ruling from the impartial MOR is that she was denied medical treatment.  

 

This should scare every freedom loving American, regardless if you like her or not.

 

Regardless of her opnion, someone that had no need to access her file, did and made a decision based solely on their opnion of her political beliefs. 

I am sure among other things there is a HIPPA violation. 

 

 

I am sure a massive lawsuit is coming 

What has freedom to do with it? The practice owner exercised their freedoms too. Should private businesses be obligated to provide services? We have seen these arguments crop up numerous times on both sides. Should the cake baker? Should you? Say someone walked into your business, behaved badly, harmed staff, and demanded that you were obligated to provide them services for whatever they wanted and not pay anything. I'd suspect you'd remove from the building. No shirt, no shoes, no service? Shall we be allowed to enter a business with no clothes? Should a bank be obligated to give you a loan if you have terrible credit or no job? For clarity, I simply feel that it's misleading for the article writer to claim it's medical treatment. I've seen several people misconstrue that this story was about her being denied actual treatment for disease. We also do not know all of the facts of this case, nor did the writer attempt to verify any of it.

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

But this isn't a legal thing, it's an ethical thing. There's no legal obligation for a doctor or healthcare professional to treat someone whose political positions or thoughts on healthcare don't coincide with the provider's, but there's an ethical duty to treat anyway. That's my understanding from being the daughter of a doctor -- we discussed these kinds of things over the dinner table growing up, and we talked about Candace Owens last night. My mom's position is that she gives care to whoever asks for it, as long as the care is warranted (i.e., don't treat a virus with antibiotics, or a sprained ankle with a cast and some opioids), she's got the training to provide the type of care needed, and the patient is not endangering the safety of herself and the others in her office. The doctor here wasn't turning down Owens because she's African-American, or a woman, or Christian, or any of the other protected classes. She turned her down because she doesn't take COVID seriously. She can do that legally, and Owens can file a complaint to the Colorado Medical Society for any ethics violation. 

 

Ethics violations don't always mean someone has broken the law. 

Correct. But your Mom certainly would also be aware that doctors can deny service to a patient (unless it is an emergency) for a variety of reasons. It may make us be ethically uncomfortable, but depending on the degree of violation on part of the patient, many doctors would have no problem ethically doing so. This is going to fall under personal convictions on the part of the owner in providing this service. No different in fact than a pharmacist denying to fill birth control, even some medications to patients.

1 minute ago, LIBrty4all said:

Absolutely false information.  Ever hear of the hippocratic oath?  It doesn't say that if you don't agree with the patient's political stance, you can deny medical care.  

 

At least for those of us who R college, it seems clear.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the Hippocratic Oath.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

Jesus, what a mess.

 

At least there are THREE people in America who believe medical services can be denied based on one's political stance.

Edited September 4, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,366]

8 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Jesus, what a mess.

 

At least there are THREE people in America who believe medical services can be denied based on one's political stance.

I wonder if she was a MDL and she screamed racism, if they would feel the same way ? 

 

Scary anyone can feel this is right. 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I wonder if she was a MDL and she screamed racism, if they would feel the same way ? 

 

Scary anyone can feel this is right. 

The ignorance is DEEP with some...  But it's not limited to this particular scenario.  The past two years, I feel like I have been living in an episode of the Twilight Zone from which I cannot wake up.

[Ban Hammer 13,109]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

That has absolutely nothing to do with the Hippocratic Oath.

"...and I will do no harm or injustice to them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
 

maybe it's just me, but denying someone a medical test sure sounds like doing harm or injustice..........

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5 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

"...and I will do no harm or injustice to them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
 

maybe it's just me, but denying someone a medical test sure sounds like doing harm or injustice..........

But if you're a liberal, you can just make up stuff as you go.  You won't be able to understand this, because you have led a life of moral judgment and held yourself to a higher standard.

[laylalex 7,282]

But violating the Hippocratic Oath isn't a crime? 🤷‍♀️ I mean, it's a disciplinary matter. 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

Not baking a cake isn't a crime, either.  But you'd THINK it was, the way the left reacted.

Edited September 4, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[laylalex 7,282]

No, but the argument was that by not baking the cake, the couple's civil rights had been violated. Being anti-vaxxer or of a political party isn't a protected class so there's no ground to sue for a civil rights violation either. It's a disciplinary matter, not a violation of law. I should have made it clear I meant a legal violation and not limited it to crimes.

[Ban Hammer 13,109]

3 minutes ago, laylalex said:

No, but the argument was that by not baking the cake, the couple's civil rights had been violated. Being anti-vaxxer or of a political party isn't a protected class so there's no ground to sue for a civil rights violation either. It's a disciplinary matter, not a violation of law. I should have made it clear I meant a legal violation and not limited it to crimes.

so nothing to do with her being a minority in 4 categories.......

black

female

conservative

interracial marriage to a white male.

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1 minute ago, Ban Hammer said:

so nothing to do with her being a minority in 4 categories.......

black

female

conservative

interracial marriage to a white male.

Well, IANAA but my understanding is if a person denied service to another and says the ground for denial isn't for a protected class reason, it's then up to the person complaining that it actually was. The doctor here was pretty clear why she was denying service. 

 

I'll check with my dad later when he's home. He and mom went out for dinner, I'm stuck in his office trying to fix email duplicates. This is not a great start to a holiday weekend!

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12 minutes ago, laylalex said:

No, but the argument was that by not baking the cake, the couple's civil rights had been violated. Being anti-vaxxer or of a political party isn't a protected class so there's no ground to sue for a civil rights violation either. It's a disciplinary matter, not a violation of law. I should have made it clear I meant a legal violation and not limited it to crimes.

If I own a business and opt to not sell something to anyone, that is my right as a shop owner.  I can also close my shop when I want, open it when I want, go on break when I want...

 

What was violated in the case of the cake was the shop owner's religion.  But to the atheist or agnostic masses, I guess that means nothing.

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4 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I'll check with my dad later when he's home. He and mom went out for dinner, I'm stuck in his office trying to fix email duplicates. This is not a great start to a holiday weekend!

It's LABOR day, not a holiday.  Get to WORK!!

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3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

If I own a business and opt to not sell something to anyone, that is my right as a shop owner.  I can also close my shop when I want, open it when I want, go on break when I want...

 

What was violated in the case of the cake was the shop owner's religion.  But to the atheist or agnostic masses, I guess that means nothing.

Why do you assume the opposite of the shop owners homophobia is agnosticism or atheism?  I can, as a merchant welcome everyone equally to do business with me AND keep my faith.

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Here's another detailed version:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2021/09/03/candace-owens-denied-covid-test-n2595229