Candace Owens denied medical treatment as Colorado lab cancels COVID test appointment

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/candace-owens-denied-medical-treatment-colorado-lab-cancels-covid-test-appointment

[yuna628 9,676]

She's hardly denied 'medical treatment', simply the private testing facility she chose refused her business. Personally, I wouldn't deny anyone needing a test, but it's their purview. She could spend a lot less time complaining about it and go find one of the other places us regular people have to go get one from. It took me an entire day navigating through stupidity, including waiting 5hrs at a clinic to get myself a test. CVS is pretty easy at this point, she doesn't even need to get out of her car if she can find a location that has them available. She's wealthy and has contacts, she can and likely has obtained one.

[jg121783 3,915]

4 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

She's hardly denied 'medical treatment', simply the private testing facility she chose refused her business. 

In other words whether you agree with it or not she was in fact denied medical treatment. 

[yuna628 9,676]

4 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

In other words whether you agree with it or not she was in fact denied medical treatment. 

A test is not medical treatment. A test is a test for diagnostic purposes. She has many options. As I said from my moral perspective I would not deny anyone a test, but it is the right of a private company to deny services for their own reasons.

 

If you'd said she'd gone to a hospital and had been refused treatment for the reasons listed by the testing company, then I'd say, fair enough she was denied treatment. But people can and do get refused treatment for things every day.

Edited September 3, 2021 by yuna628

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

A test is not medical treatment. A test is a test for diagnostic purposes. She has many options. As I said from my moral perspective I would not deny anyone a test, but it is the right of a private company to deny services for their own reasons.

So then if someone wants to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, it's all good ?

 

She was absolutely refused medical care 

[yuna628 9,676]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

So then if someone wants to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, it's all good ?

 

She was absolutely refused medical care 

A test isn't medical care though NB. No one at the lab facility is going to provide treatment for COVID. Her doctor should be providing it. I'm not denying that she was denied a test (at least we think she was. has anyone confirmed it with the facility directly?) only that the headline of 'medical treatment' is a little misleading.

 

I think we've been over the gay cake thing several times.

Edited September 3, 2021 by yuna628

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

23 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

She's hardly denied 'medical treatment', simply the private testing facility she chose refused her business. Personally, I wouldn't deny anyone needing a test, but it's their purview. She could spend a lot less time complaining about it and go find one of the other places us regular people have to go get one from. It took me an entire day navigating through stupidity, including waiting 5hrs at a clinic to get myself a test. CVS is pretty easy at this point, she doesn't even need to get out of her car if she can find a location that has them available. She's wealthy and has contacts, she can and likely has obtained one.

semantics.  her financial standing has zero to do with this.

[jg121783 3,915]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

A test isn't medical care though NB.

A medical test is in fact medical care. You are almost as bad a a lawyer with your word games.

[Dashinka 24,499]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

A test isn't medical care though NB. No one at the lab facility is going to provide treatment for COVID. Her doctor should be providing it. I'm not denying that she was denied a test (at least we think she was. has anyone confirmed it with the facility directly?) only that the headline of 'medical treatment' is a little misleading.

 

I think we've been over the gay cake thing several times.

A medical diagnostic test is not part of medical care?  So medical insurance should not pay for any medical diagnostic tests?

[jg121783 3,915]

For the record I doubt this had anything to do with racism but we all know if the tables were turned and this was a leftist minority being denied a covid test the left would be screaming racism.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, jg121783 said:

For the record I doubt this had anything to do with racism but we all know if the tables were turned and this was a leftist minority being denied a covid test the left would be screaming racism.

You know the vibe. The justice dept would be involved.  

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

3 hours ago, yuna628 said:

A test isn't medical care though NB. No one at the lab facility is going to provide treatment for COVID. Her doctor should be providing it. I'm not denying that she was denied a test (at least we think she was. has anyone confirmed it with the facility directly?) only that the headline of 'medical treatment' is a little misleading.

 

I think we've been over the gay cake thing several times.

Yes we have, and the parallels are there, even if people refuse to see them or to admit that the gay cake thing was wrong.  It was, and still is today.

 

Just as you are wrong... a covid test is a medical treatment.  It may not be surgery, but it's not like one can run down to Home Depot and buy it and DIY.  

 

From the article:

 

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Owens was sent a letter by Aspen Laboratories' co-founder Suzanna Lee informing her that her "booking" was being cancelled and that she would be "denied service" because of both her aversion to governmental face mask mandates and her analysis of the effectiveness of vaccination shots.

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

The ruling from the impartial MOR is that she was denied medical treatment.  

 

This should scare every freedom loving American, regardless if you like her or not.

 

Regardless of her opnion, someone that had no need to access her file, did and made a decision based solely on their opnion of her political beliefs. 

I am sure among other things there is a HIPPA violation. 

 

 

I am sure a massive lawsuit is coming 

[laylalex 7,284]

But this isn't a legal thing, it's an ethical thing. There's no legal obligation for a doctor or healthcare professional to treat someone whose political positions or thoughts on healthcare don't coincide with the provider's, but there's an ethical duty to treat anyway. That's my understanding from being the daughter of a doctor -- we discussed these kinds of things over the dinner table growing up, and we talked about Candace Owens last night. My mom's position is that she gives care to whoever asks for it, as long as the care is warranted (i.e., don't treat a virus with antibiotics, or a sprained ankle with a cast and some opioids), she's got the training to provide the type of care needed, and the patient is not endangering the safety of herself and the others in her office. The doctor here wasn't turning down Owens because she's African-American, or a woman, or Christian, or any of the other protected classes. She turned her down because she doesn't take COVID seriously. She can do that legally, and Owens can file a complaint to the Colorado Medical Society for any ethics violation. 

 

Ethics violations don't always mean someone has broken the law. 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

But this isn't a legal thing, it's an ethical thing. There's no legal obligation for a doctor or healthcare professional to treat someone whose political positions or thoughts on healthcare don't coincide with the provider's, but there's an ethical duty to treat anyway. That's my understanding from being the daughter of a doctor -- we discussed these kinds of things over the dinner table growing up, and we talked about Candace Owens last night. My mom's position is that she gives care to whoever asks for it, as long as the care is warranted (i.e., don't treat a virus with antibiotics, or a sprained ankle with a cast and some opioids), she's got the training to provide the type of care needed, and the patient is not endangering the safety of herself and the others in her office. The doctor here wasn't turning down Owens because she's African-American, or a woman, or Christian, or any of the other protected classes. She turned her down because she doesn't take COVID seriously. She can do that legally, and Owens can file a complaint to the Colorado Medical Society for any ethics violation. 

 

Ethics violations don't always mean someone has broken the law. 

Absolutely false information.  Ever hear of the hippocratic oath?  It doesn't say that if you don't agree with the patient's political stance, you can deny medical care.  

 

At least for those of us who R college, it seems clear.