California Nurse Shortage Reaches "Crisis Level" As Vaccine Mandate Wards Off Traveling Nurses

[laylalex 7,282]

3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Shhhh, the blind need something to believe in.  It's better to try to force others to do what they did than to see the alternative.  Hell, what's next, and AMA survey of 300 people?  I mean THREE HUNDRED!!!  That's what, 0.000090468909 % of the US population?  

it's darn near as stupid as the Pfizer study that says people who got the second dose prove that the experimental drug is 95% effective!! (But only for 7 days).  

 

Some sheeple will believe most anything they are fed.

Oh, and the 2020 election was corrupt and stolen from the US.  It's a new America, America.

You still haven't told me where that earlier graphic was from. 

 

Also, I'm not a statistician (maybe you are?) but from my recollection of statistics from high school you don't need a very large sample size in order to have sufficient data to provide reliable results. Not every doctor is a member of the AMA, but about there are about 240,000 members. I messed around with some numbers and a sample of 301 people out of a population of 240,000 provides a margin of error of about 5.64% with a confidence level of 95%.  You don't need to ask every person in order to determine what the actual number is, as long as the sample population is properly constructed. That's... kind of how surveys work? 🤷‍♀️ The AMA survey was split between generalists and specialists nearly evenly (150 and 151 respectively), and balancing for gender/age/region/race or ethnicity was also taken into account. 

 

Also, the 96% figure has been replicated in another survey of doctors, this specifically of ophthalmologists.

https://www.ophthalmologytimes.com/view/aao-study-more-than-96-us-ophthalmologists-vaccinated-covid-19

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12 hours ago, laylalex said:

You still haven't told me where that earlier graphic was from. 

 

Also, I'm not a statistician (maybe you are?) but from my recollection of statistics from high school you don't need a very large sample size in order to have sufficient data to provide reliable results. Not every doctor is a member of the AMA, but about there are about 240,000 members. I messed around with some numbers and a sample of 301 people out of a population of 240,000 provides a margin of error of about 5.64% with a confidence level of 95%.  You don't need to ask every person in order to determine what the actual number is, as long as the sample population is properly constructed. That's... kind of how surveys work? 🤷‍♀️ The AMA survey was split between generalists and specialists nearly evenly (150 and 151 respectively), and balancing for gender/age/region/race or ethnicity was also taken into account. 

 

Also, the 96% figure has been replicated in another survey of doctors, this specifically of ophthalmologists.

https://www.ophthalmologytimes.com/view/aao-study-more-than-96-us-ophthalmologists-vaccinated-covid-19

Yes but the other data set was a public Survey Monkey poll of anyone with the link by an unknown author during an unspecified time range , soooooo to be fair.

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Neither survey represents a random sample of all American physicians, but the AAPS survey shows that physician support for the mass injection campaign is far from unanimous.

 

“It is wrong to call a person who declines a shot an ‘anti-vaxxer,’” states AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D. “Virtually no physicians are ‘anti-antibiotics’ or ‘anti-surgery,’ whereas all are opposed to treatments that they think are unnecessary, more likely to harm than to benefit an individual patient, or inadequately tested.”

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/poll-most-doctors-are-skipping-covid-19-vaccine/

[laylalex 7,282]

So the physician membership of AAPS is very small in comparison to the AMA (5k vs. 240k). Unlike the AMA, the AAPS has a decidedly and openly conservative slant, and has taken what I consider to be some whackadoo positions in the past on a variety of health issues. Like abortion causing breast cancer (no), that Obama hypnotized Jews with his speech cadences (!!), that AIDS isn't caused by HIV, and of course a solid anti-vaccine stance going back many, many years.

 

So the universe that the AAPS is sampling is already skewed against vaccines, and is a much smaller one to begin with. I think the more surprising thing from that survey is how many physician members of the AAPS do support getting vaccinated! 

 

 

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12 hours ago, laylalex said:

So the physician membership of AAPS is very small in comparison to the AMA (5k vs. 240k). Unlike the AMA, the AAPS has a decidedly and openly conservative slant, and has taken what I consider to be some whackadoo positions in the past on a variety of health issues. Like abortion causing breast cancer (no), that Obama hypnotized Jews with his speech cadences (!!), that AIDS isn't caused by HIV, and of course a solid anti-vaccine stance going back many, many years.

 

So the universe that the AAPS is sampling is already skewed against vaccines, and is a much smaller one to begin with. I think the more surprising thing from that survey is how many physician members of the AAPS do support getting vaccinated! 

 

 

So it is all about politics?  Doesn't really address the OP topic of the number of folks leaving healthcare due to mandates of an experimental vaccine.

Edited September 7, 2021 by Dashinka

[laylalex 7,282]

9 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So it is all about politics?  Doesn't really address the OP topic of the number of folks leaving healthcare due to mandates of an experimental vaccine.

What is the actual number though? That article points to four at one hospital, but muddies the waters between people leaving due to mandates and from burnout.

 

The article it references is here: https://www.bakersfield.com/news/nurse-shortages-in-california-reaching-crisis-point/article_d889007a-0878-11ec-bd38-e749b73073d0.html

 

These are the sole references to out of state travelling nurses turning down jobs due to the mandate:

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Some traveling nurses — who are in high demand nationwide — are turning down California assignments because they don’t want to get vaccinated.

 

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Cole of Scripps Health said the state’s testing requirement, imposed last week, already has discouraged some out-of-state, traveling nurses from taking temporary jobs at California hospitals.

Some means.. how many? What the article does focus on is the fact that healthcare workers are burning out due to the stress of the increased number of patients due to Delta. Burnout is real. 

 

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Emotional and physical exhaustion is the primary reason nurses are fleeing the bedside, experts say. It has been a long and brutal 18 months.

 

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2 hours ago, laylalex said:

:Some means.. how many? What the article does focus on is the fact that healthcare workers are burning out due to the stress of the increased number of patients due to Delta. Burnout is real. 

 

 

Making tik tok videos all day really takes its toll.

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10 hours ago, laylalex said:

What is the actual number though? That article points to four at one hospital, but muddies the waters between people leaving due to mandates and from burnout.

 

The article it references is here: https://www.bakersfield.com/news/nurse-shortages-in-california-reaching-crisis-point/article_d889007a-0878-11ec-bd38-e749b73073d0.html

 

These are the sole references to out of state travelling nurses turning down jobs due to the mandate:

 

Some means.. how many? What the article does focus on is the fact that healthcare workers are burning out due to the stress of the increased number of patients due to Delta. Burnout is real. 

 

 

Yes, burnout is real and the stress comes from many directions.  Focusing on just the current or next variant, or the mandates imposed by employers is short sighted.  The fear porn of the pandemic is real, and it affects everyone.  The same argument could be used for the police and firefighters leaving their jobs.

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