I-751 September 2021 Filers

[johnnyI129F 86]

11 minutes ago, eatphyllosophical said:

Can you clarify? Did you mean Netherlands embassy?

Yep Netherlands I meant . 

[Greencard-22 43]

8 hours ago, johnnyI129F said:

I really surprised when I called Amsterdam Embassy in Washington D.C. and their answer was  No extension letter can be considered. Expired card is not valid , will send her back ! and i challenged her with alot of questions and why the US immigration extension letter wouldn’t be considered valid since its extending the validity of the expiry date on the card ?! Embassy employee insisted they won’t consider the extension letter ! 

Oh this is a bit worrying. Planning on  visiting France and then England for a week each later this year. Already got my tickets and now I’m wondering if I should have called the embassy before I booked smh. Praying it won’t be an issue becasue I feel like there is the policy (you can travel with expired GC and extension) and then there are ppl who know and those that don’t know what that is. Hope I get someone who is informed! 

[Rocio0010 5,599]

Everyone, please don’t trust what an embassy employee says. The valid documentation that you need to travel internationally is listed on the Carrier Guide that I’ve just posted. If you’re afraid they won’t know about it, print out several copies of the relevant pages. 
Most international airlines know about the extension letter and the expired green card. Who cares what an embassy employee says?! They don’t have any power whatsoever to decide on plane boarding.

[eatphyllosophical 8]

9 hours ago, Southern_Belle07 said:

Exactly. The feedback I got yesterday was someone was denied in Qatar airport. It was a connecting flight. Now the person was ordered to go back to his home country in Vietnam. 

Some people visit too often and even stayed too long in one trip (usually >6mths) so they may destroy their residency tie to the US. I guess this is the case for this guy. Doha is a big hub; immigration officers should know.

Edited June 16, 2022 by eatphyllosophical

[Rocio0010 5,599]

1 hour ago, Greencard-22 said:

Oh this is a bit worrying. Planning on  visiting France and then England for a week each later this year. Already got my tickets and now I’m wondering if I should have called the embassy before I booked smh. Praying it won’t be an issue becasue I feel like there is the policy (you can travel with expired GC and extension) and then there are ppl who know and those that don’t know what that is. Hope I get someone who is informed! 

What international airline are you using to come back?

[aznhouston 132]

Embassy employees have no idea about US immigration docs. You should check with the airlines. I've been traveling the expired gc and extension letter, and now the temporary stamp in the passport just fine. To Europe, Mexico, and Canada.

[Southern_Belle07 146]

On 6/16/2022 at 9:06 AM, Rocio0010 said:

Show them this document. This is the carrier guide, this is what they should abide, not some hearsay Carrier guide

If you’re worried, show them the Carrier guide. This is what they should abide, not some hearsay

It's not the airlines who are denying entry though. Immigration officers in other airport countries. 

[Rocio0010 5,599]

1 minute ago, Southern_Belle07 said:

It's not the airlines who are denying entry though. Immigration officers in other airport countries. 

I'm sorry, but do you know a person that has been denied entry? Or is it a rumor?

Again, with the carrier guide there should not be any issue at all. And immigration officers from other countries do not know about US immigration necessarily...

[Southern_Belle07 146]

20 hours ago, Rocio0010 said:

Everyone, please don’t trust what an embassy employee says. The valid documentation that you need to travel internationally is listed on the Carrier Guide that I’ve just posted. If you’re afraid they won’t know about it, print out several copies of the relevant pages. 
Most international airlines know about the extension letter and the expired green card. Who cares what an embassy employee says?! They don’t have any power whatsoever to decide on plane boarding.

Please keep in mind that everyone goes through immigration and customs check before you board an airline. That is the issue here and not boarding the plane. 

[Rocio0010 5,599]

1 minute ago, Southern_Belle07 said:

immigration and customs check before you board an airline.

Right, but if anything, those officers are from the country you're leaving, and they should not deny you boarding based on misinformation. You have your rights and should fight for them. 

That being said, I always fly with american airlines when I am travelling abroad. Usually airlines from the US know about the extension letter...

[Southern_Belle07 146]

1 minute ago, Rocio0010 said:

I'm sorry, but do you know a person that has been denied entry? Or is it a rumor?

Again, with the carrier guide there should not be any issue at all. And immigration officers from other countries do not know about US immigration necessarily...

The feedback came from the actual person. Note that our immigration status heavily relies on our green card validity, and every immigration officer regardless of their country knows what a gc is. Since not everyone in the world is updated that extension letters now, this is becoming a problem. 

 

As a professional on my field (I work corporate) I practice validity and question facts and hearsay. Hence, my pursuit to asking real life experiences from other people on here.

[Rocio0010 5,599]

1 minute ago, Southern_Belle07 said:

 Note that our immigration status heavily relies on our green card validity,

Not really. The green card is just proof of your status, not your status itself. Even if you tore your green card, lost it, etc etc, you are still a LPR.

 

2 minutes ago, Southern_Belle07 said:

Since not everyone in the world is updated that extension letters now, this is becoming a problem. 

Even if you don't have the letter, or it is expired, an ADIT stamp is enough.

 

3 minutes ago, Southern_Belle07 said:

The feedback came from the actual person

They were wrong to deny him boarding

[Rocio0010 5,599]

On 6/16/2022 at 6:09 AM, johnnyI129F said:

I really surprised when I called Amsterdam Embassy in Washington D.C. and their answer was  No extension letter can be considered. Expired card is not valid , will send her back ! and i challenged her with alot of questions and why the US immigration extension letter wouldn’t be considered valid since its extending the validity of the expiry date on the card ?! Embassy employee insisted they won’t consider the extension letter ! 

You do realize that an Embassy employer has zero knowledge about I751s, do you?

[Eric&Mirella 367]

I see this has become a hot topic and I wanted to share my experience as someone who travels 2-3 times a month and arranges travel for hundreds of people. 

At work, I oversee large international and domestic events, meaning that I work with people from all the continents and make accommodations for them to travel to and from the US, as well as south East Asia, Europe and Africa. I’m also a trained airline crew and I must say that a lot of what it has been said here, although not inaccurate, doesn’t take into consideration human error.
 

This situation should be cut and dry but actually it is not.  Airlines CAN and WILL deny you boarding if they consider that the documents used to travel aren’t valid or if they think there’s something wrong with them. If an airline allows someone with invalid documents to travel to the US by air, most likely said airline will be fined. 
 

I personally have encountered many airline employees who don’t even know what a green card is. They are not sure what to do with it and some don’t even have a clue that non US citizens can actually leave and return to the country legally( Delta,JetBlue I’m looking at you ) and his has happened to me in AMERICAN soil. 
 

In many countries, there are not familiar with foreign immigration documents or policies. To a person who is not properly trained they are just looking at an expired document and a random paper saying in a very vague way that they are allowed to travel.  
 

Please  also have in mind  that for visa purposes an expired green card plus extension letter does not constitute a “valid” green card.  Since my green card expired I’ve had to request 3 visas to 3 different countries that usually waive visa requirements if you have a valid, unexpired green card.  This applies to multiple visa categories including  tourism and transit. 
 

We can go back and forth all we want on this topic but we will never know for sure what could happen. Is a situation that is out of control.  
 

I don’t know about you guys but if I were stranded in a third country where I don’t speak the language and I’m being denied boarding and deported to my country of birth,  I’d be terrified and probably would forget everything I know. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Rocio0010 5,599]

43 minutes ago, Eric&Mirella said:

not.  Airlines CAN and WILL deny you boarding if they consider that the documents used to travel aren’t valid or if they think there’s something wrong with them

Yes, but that’s when you should show them the carrier guide and point out to them that an expired green card+ extension letter is enough