Surrender Or Die, Pakistani President Tells Terrorists Inside Pakistan's Red Mosque

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Toughening his stance over the Red Mosque stand off, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said Saturday the students and the cleric holed up in the mosque must surrender or face death.

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The pro-Taliban mosque has been in the eye of a storm in the recent months with its insistence on implementation of Islamic Sharia law in the country.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007848355

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Toughening his stance over the Red Mosque stand off, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said Saturday the students and the cleric holed up in the mosque must surrender or face death.

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The pro-Taliban mosque has been in the eye of a storm in the recent months with its insistence on implementation of Islamic Sharia law in the country.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007848355

Well, they should die soon, less terrorist in my eyes is a good thing...

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Now if our president would have 1/2 the testicles of Musharraf to make a statement like that, maybe we'd start seeing some results

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Now if our president would have 1/2 the testicles of Musharraf to make a statement like that, maybe we'd start seeing some results

One problem here: At the time the seeds of Taliban were laid, Musharraf was part of (currently chief of) an organisation (Pak military) which planted those seeds. You may have noticed the absence of reports about Mush sending troops against Karachi's Binori Mosque (just as radical as Red Mosque).

Because it's partly ethnic here: Red Mosque has mainly Punjabis (and some Pashtuns) while Binori is 99% mohajir (exact same group as Musharraf).

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I'm not interested in reading about ultimata issued against terrorists. Just smoke that scum out!

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I'm not interested in reading about ultimata issued against terrorists. Just smoke that scum out!

One defect in that idea.

Musharraf seems to have taken a page from "Operation Bluestar". There is one quite serious difference between Bhindranwale's thugs and the ones in Red Mosque: a global perspective.

And considering that the death of Bhindranwale certainly caused many terrorist acts aimed against India...in this case, we can't predict that the revenge acts will be limited to those against Pakistan.

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Bring back napalm.

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I'm not interested in reading about ultimata issued against terrorists. Just smoke that scum out!

One defect in that idea.

Musharraf seems to have taken a page from "Operation Bluestar". There is one quite serious difference between Bhindranwale's thugs and the ones in Red Mosque: a global perspective.

Just smoke the scum out globally. Better yet, have them smoke each other out.

Edited July 7, 2007 by ET-US2004

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I'm not interested in reading about ultimata issued against terrorists. Just smoke that scum out!

One defect in that idea.

Musharraf seems to have taken a page from "Operation Bluestar". There is one quite serious difference between Bhindranwale's thugs and the ones in Red Mosque: a global perspective.

.... Better yet, have them smoke each other out.

THAT sounds a bit more workable, since Pak military are full of such scum (Zia was exactly of that ilk).

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Senior officer killed as Lal Masjid siege enters 6th day

ISLAMABAD, July 8 (AFP) –Militants entrenched in Islamabad’s Lal Masjid shot dead a senior Pakistani army officer during fierce clashes with troops on the sixth day of the siege on Sunday . Colonel Haroon Islam was leading an operation to help free some of the women and children being used as human shields by the militants inside the fortified mosque complex when he was shot, the army said. Major General Waheed Arshad told AFP another army officer was injured in the fighting. “Rashid Ghazi and his militants were responsible for the killing of a senior army officer,” Information Minister Mohammad Ali Durrani said. “The operation will continue and Ghazi has to surrender.” Security forces have held back from raiding the now bullet-pocked mosque but there have been intense clashes around the perimeter. Security forces blew up sections of the compound wall during the night and there were further intense exchanges of fire, a security official said early Sunday. “Security forces dynamited the wall to allow people inside to come out.” They risked being shot by militants if they attempted to climb the wall, which is seven to eight feet high, he said. Cleric Abdul Rasheed Ghazi claimed security forces had killed 30 female and 40 male students in the siege. The women were buried at the site, he said. The government says the total death toll is 20. The cleric said he and his followers had enough rations, arms and ammunition inside the compound to “fight for another 25 to 30 days and we will do that, God willing.” (Posted @ 09:48 PST)

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Storming Red Mosque will spark Islamic uprising, says rebel cleric

In a statement carried yesterday by newspapers in Pakistan, the radical cleric holed inside the building, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, said that if he and his followers were to die, their deaths would spark an Islamic revolution. He has repeatedly said that he would prefer martyrdom to surrender. "We have firm belief in God that our blood will lead to a revolution," he said.

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Storming Red Mosque will spark Islamic uprising, says rebel cleric

In a statement carried yesterday by newspapers in Pakistan, the radical cleric holed inside the building, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, said that if he and his followers were to die, their deaths would spark an Islamic revolution. He has repeatedly said that he would prefer martyrdom to surrender. "We have firm belief in God that our blood will lead to a revolution," he said.

Someone there apparently takes that quite seriously (and maybe it needs to be taken seriously) as the Pakistani gov't would have otherwise taken them out by now. Shitty situation for the gov't - seems that they'll lose no matter what the approach. It's fcuked up.

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Storming Red Mosque will spark Islamic uprising, says rebel cleric

In a statement carried yesterday by newspapers in Pakistan, the radical cleric holed inside the building, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, said that if he and his followers were to die, their deaths would spark an Islamic revolution. He has repeatedly said that he would prefer martyrdom to surrender. "We have firm belief in God that our blood will lead to a revolution," he said.

Someone there apparently takes that quite seriously (and maybe it needs to be taken seriously) as the Pakistani gov't would have otherwise taken them out by now. Shitty situation for the gov't - seems that they'll lose no matter what the approach. It's fcuked up.

This situation has echoes of Operation Bluestar written all over it.

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Pakistanis see a conspiracy in Lal Masjid siege

Islamabad's Lal Masjid, or Red Mosque, has championed Islamic jihadism for years with support and tolerance from the army now besieging it, say Pakistani scholars and analysts. At the least, they say, the crisis is "blowback" from years of discreet support by military intelligence agencies for Lal Masjid's militants.

Many Pakistanis go farther, saying the drama is largely staged by "the agencies," as they are called here. Suggesting just that, Najam Sethi, one of the country's most distinguished journalists, wrote in the weekly Friday Times that "it is curious that the Lal Masjid affair has hogged the media precisely when [a] more substantive national issue" -- Musharraf's attempt to oust the country's chief justice and manipulate the Supreme Court -- has been hurting him politically.

Such conspiracy theories get serious consideration here because the military has made a habit of political manipulation. In the 50 years since Pakistan's military first seized power, it has discreetly shaped civilian politics and religious institutions to maintain its influence and prosecute its wars -- a history documented in recent years by Pakistani authors such as Harvard University scholar Hassan Abbas and Boston University's Hussain Haqqani.

The military has used jihad, or Islamic holy war, as a foreign policy weapon -- to battle India for control of Kashmir and to keep influence over Afghanistan. Through its vast intelligence agencies, the military has quietly backed mosques, madrassas (religious schools), religious charities and guerrilla groups that promoted such "jihads."

For years, Pakistanis have widely understood and applauded the military's support for jihadists in Kashmir and Afghanistan. More controversial is agencies such as Military Intelligence and the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) using their militant networks to manipulate domestic politics.

ISI and the other agencies got into the jihad business in a big way in the 1980s under the authoritarian Gen. Muhammad Zia ul-Haq. They managed the massive, CIA-funded program to train and arm the Afghan mujahideen fighting Soviet occupation. And they spawned violent groups among Pakistan's majority Sunni sect to attack the newly assertive Shia minority.

Lal Masjid, founded by a mullah named Muhammad Abdullah, was a strong supporter of those government-favored "jihads," preaching on their behalf and helping them recruit fighters. "He was amply rewarded" by authorities who, for example, let him expand his mosque by encroaching on state lands, Sethi wrote.

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Storming Red Mosque will spark Islamic uprising, says rebel cleric

In a statement carried yesterday by newspapers in Pakistan, the radical cleric holed inside the building, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, said that if he and his followers were to die, their deaths would spark an Islamic revolution. He has repeatedly said that he would prefer martyrdom to surrender. "We have firm belief in God that our blood will lead to a revolution," he said.

bring it on scumbags