Defeat Delta: Mayor de Blasio Announces Key to NYC Vaccination Mandate Will Begin Tomorrow, August 17

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

Can't wait to see how well this pans out for NY and CA.  Thousands more lives ruined, I predict.

 

 

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/564-21/defeat-delta-mayor-de-blasio-key-nyc-vaccination-mandate-will-begin-tomorrow-august

[laylalex 7,284]

Okay Google: save this thread for when we continue to have a lower rate of death and hospitalization than other large states.

[Dashinka 24,491]

4 hours ago, laylalex said:

Okay Google: save this thread for when we continue to have a lower rate of death and hospitalization than other large states.

Maybe Texas can ship the Covid positive illegal aliens off to CA and NY.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

11 hours ago, laylalex said:

Okay Google: save this thread for when we continue to have a lower rate of death and hospitalization than other large states.

When you say "continue"... when did ye plan to start?  CA is leading the pack on total deaths and total cases.  The only reason it falls lower among the pack is due to the large population. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

[Talako 781]

7 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Maybe Texas can ship the Covid positive illegal aliens off to CA and NY.

That's not part of the diversity plan.  Shipments will begin to North Dakota and Idaho here shortly.

[laylalex 7,284]

3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

When you say "continue"... when did ye plan to start?  CA is leading the pack on total deaths and total cases.  The only reason it falls lower among the pack is due to the large population. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

Uh, it is useful to look at what is going on currently, not on a history to date basis. For example here's what's currently happening in California and Texas (values obtained today August 18, 2021 from https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases-deaths-tracker.html -- you will need to input the states yourself as the page is dynamic):

You can see that while the total number of cases and deaths are higher in California than in Texas over the course of the pandemic, right now (over the past 2 weeks) things look significantly worse in Texas. 43 deaths in CA yesterday versus 106 in TX. 12,387 daily average cases in CA over the past week versus 15,577 in TX. Over twice as many deaths a day in Texas over the past 7 days compared to CA. Deaths are up 2% in CA over the past 2 weeks versus 127% (!!!!!!) in TX. And on and on.

 

It was worse here to begin with. It's gotten better. Our R rates are dropping again. Even with the Delta explosion, my life feels a lot more "normal" now than it did six months ago -- I eat outdoors regularly at restaurants, there aren't restrictions on the number of people who can enter a retail establishment, I even had a couple of drinks at indoor bars (very quiet and socially distanced bars) the other week in San Diego. Traffic is back, people are shopping and eating out everywhere, things feel pretty good. On the other hand, I now know 5 people who have had breakthrough COVID despite being vaxxed. None of them are very sick at all (not like the people I know who caught COVID pre-vaxx times), but all of them were diagnosed in the past 4 days. 

 

Texas has gotten worse. A lot worse. I worry about what's happening there. A lot of it seems self-inflicted. Life isn't locked down here, not at all. The only thing that's really different here is indoor masking. I don't wear one outside unless I'm around someone I don't know, and I have to stand near them. Not walking around, passing people on the street. We're turning the numbers around since we reinstituted indoor masking. We're all motivated here to get a handle on numbers and if that means every so often we have to shift to masking up again, most people here are pretty cool with it.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

I also remember that covid hit TX sooner than CA.  By the time CA started spiking, TX was flattening out.  Let's wait a while, eh?

[laylalex 7,284]

It's not a contest I want anyone to lose! I'm just saying right now, I would rather be here than there. If trends continue how they are -- which they may not -- then CA's measures (which aren't really that big when you're here on the ground) have worked. That's really my point. I think personal responsibility plays a huge part in mitigation, but the problem is that while I may be responsible, and you may be responsible, a lot of people simply aren't.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

No it's not a contest, but the draconian measures that seem prevalent in blue areas are doing less to slow the disease than we can see in other countries where no mask mandates nor "vaccine mandates" have ever been issued.  Where the natural course has been allowed to be run, they are actually seeing less covid than we are in many states.

[laylalex 7,284]

All I can say is that masks are back in place here, vaccination rates are high, and people just aren't going to the hospital like they were in January. Things are okayish here. Not so much in Texas. What do you think could be done to reduce the rate of transmission there? That's not meant to be a provocative question, I'm really interested in hearing how things could be improved without masking and social distancing. I'd like to see them start to turn the corner. I'm not closed off to alternative ideas as long as they are realistic. We can't rely on people to be responsible for themselves and their families -- if we could, things wouldn't be so bad. Lunch break over here so I'll dip in later. I think we could have a constructive conversation on this.  

[Neonred 3,562]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

We can't rely on people to be responsible...

Isn't this part of the liberal mantra?

People aren't responsible so the government needs to control and direct their life.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

All I can say is that masks are back in place here, vaccination rates are high, and people just aren't going to the hospital like they were in January. Things are okayish here. Not so much in Texas. What do you think could be done to reduce the rate of transmission there? That's not meant to be a provocative question, I'm really interested in hearing how things could be improved without masking and social distancing. I'd like to see them start to turn the corner. I'm not closed off to alternative ideas as long as they are realistic. We can't rely on people to be responsible for themselves and their families -- if we could, things wouldn't be so bad. Lunch break over here so I'll dip in later. I think we could have a constructive conversation on this.  

I honesty don't know.  All along, we have been told "this is the right way", and "this is the wrong way".  But it varies by region, apparently.  

Using only the worldometers site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us we can sort by the various columns.  TX and FL, which have been much more open all along than states like CA, NJ, NY have much lower death rates per million.  NJ has had 159% more pop rate deaths than TX, yet were MUCH more locked down (still are).  Ditto NY.  And CA has a couple hundred less than TX by the per million death rate.  But if you look at total deaths, CA is in top spot with 10,000 more than TX and NY.

I have yet to see a trend that would lead us to believe one particular state is "doing it more right".  However, if you take the country data:  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and flip it upside down on the deaths per mil column, Laos is #17 with only 1 death per million people (9 total dead).  Why?  What are they doing differently than us?  And what of the top 16 countries in that particular category?  Bad reporting, or do they really have zero covid deaths to date?

I wish I could see a trend that actually makes sense.  The data is all over the place. Countries that have poor sanitation seem to be doing better than the US. Heck, China only has about 4600 deaths, how great is THAT?? 

If we can nail it down here, we can get rich.  I'll split the proceeds with you (but you still have to pay for your own Netflix).

[jg121783 3,915]

38 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

I honesty don't know.  All along, we have been told "this is the right way", and "this is the wrong way".  But it varies by region, apparently.  

Using only the worldometers site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us we can sort by the various columns.  TX and FL, which have been much more open all along than states like CA, NJ, NY have much lower death rates per million.  NJ has had 159% more pop rate deaths than TX, yet were MUCH more locked down (still are).  Ditto NY.  And CA has a couple hundred less than TX by the per million death rate.  But if you look at total deaths, CA is in top spot with 10,000 more than TX and NY.

I have yet to see a trend that would lead us to believe one particular state is "doing it more right".  However, if you take the country data:  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and flip it upside down on the deaths per mil column, Laos is #17 with only 1 death per million people (9 total dead).  Why?  What are they doing differently than us?  And what of the top 16 countries in that particular category?  Bad reporting, or do they really have zero covid deaths to date?

I wish I could see a trend that actually makes sense.  The data is all over the place. Countries that have poor sanitation seem to be doing better than the US. Heck, China only has about 4600 deaths, how great is THAT?? 

If we can nail it down here, we can get rich.  I'll split the proceeds with you (but you still have to pay for your own Netflix).

Maybe it's the fact that 96% of the reported covid deaths in the US are people who died WITH covid and not necessarily OF covid. Combine that with faulty testing and it's clear the death numbers in the US are highly inflated.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

1 hour ago, jg121783 said:

Maybe it's the fact that 96% of the reported covid deaths in the US are people who died WITH covid and not necessarily OF covid. Combine that with faulty testing and it's clear the death numbers in the US are highly inflated.

Agree with you 1,000%.  But there are a group of people who will never allow those facts to enter into their brains.