Bill Introduced to Require Vaccines on all US Flights

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

3 hours ago, jg121783 said:

All that says is you are pulling numbers out of Fraudci's rear end. Can you back that claim up?

Did you plow through the results of the mask studies I gave you?. If you can rebut the mask data then I will debate vaccines.

[Dashinka 24,538]

1 hour ago, Luckycuds said:

How would you like me to back that claim up? What -or whose- statistics would you actually believe? Because a quick google search can easily find those facts. I could tell you as a health care worker the deaths are in the unvaccinated but I bet you wouldn’t rely on my first hand knowledge either. The virus doesn’t care what your political affiliation is. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

Wait, the mainstream media told us that the virus does not hit those sophisticated Leftist when they gather, and Fauci keeps harping on the little get together in Western South Dakota all while ignoring the Southern Border.  Still have no idea why the Southern Border is practically wide open, yet, Canadians that are fully vaccinated cannot get into the US to spend their money.

 

Btw, I am being sarcastic, but the narrative we seem to be getting is rife with political overtones, just look at how much coverage Democrat run Oregon is getting for the spike they are seeing as compared to Republican run Texas or Florida.

[Dashinka 24,538]

12 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Did you plow through the results of the mask studies I gave you?. If you can rebut the mask data then I will debate vaccines.

You forgot one analysis on the effectiveness of masks.

 

https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-evidence

[Lucky2Lucky 2,526]

34 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

My wife works in healthcare too. She tells me a vast majority of people she sees getting sick are vaccinated people. Think I'll rely on my wife's first hand knowledge over someone on an internet message board.

 

How about not believing anything and looking at the facts? I have yet to see any actual statistics showing 99% of covid cases are vaccinated people. In fact reports from other countries seem to suggest the opposite.

I said deaths in the unvaccinated- not overall those who have covid. The vaccines do a pretty darn good job preventing deaths. I’d say that makes it effective at saving lives. The vaccine was never touted as “you will never ever get covid again”.  I’m surprised that well more than 50% of people in your state are the ones with covid, but I bet they aren’t the ones dying.

 

I don’t just believe anything- I look at facts - where do your “facts” come from? I never said 99% of covid cases are unvaccinated. I see you have a comprehension problem so I don’t think whatever data/statistics you look at would be interpreted accurately  🤷🏻‍♀️ And that pretty much just invalidates everything you say.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

He has been a politician most of his career. When is the last time he actually saw a patient?

The NIH has a Covid clinic and he makes rounds daily. He provided care to patients during the Ebola crisis. Just because you are a researcher does not mean you don't see patients. So to answer your question, probably today. 

 

As far as being a politician, he recounts how he needed to change his approach to win the trust of AIDs patients that were fighting the government and protesting loudly. 

 

Because he adjusted his approach he was able to win the trust of the community which actively participated in the studies that ultimately conquered the disease. 

 

We all need to be politicians to do our jobs well.

[TBoneTX 45,383]

36 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

You forgot one analysis on the effectiveness of masks.

https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-evidence

Yes, posted in the other thread.  Long, but well worth a careful read.

[jg121783 3,915]

3 hours ago, Luckycuds said:

I said deaths in the unvaccinated- not overall those who have covid. The vaccines do a pretty darn good job preventing deaths. I’d say that makes it effective at saving lives. The vaccine was never touted as “you will never ever get covid again”.  I’m surprised that well more than 50% of people in your state are the ones with covid, but I bet they aren’t the ones dying.

 

I don’t just believe anything- I look at facts - where do your “facts” come from? I never said 99% of covid cases are unvaccinated. I see you have a comprehension problem so I don’t think whatever data/statistics you look at would be interpreted accurately  🤷🏻‍♀️ And that pretty much just invalidates everything you say.

Not a comprehension problem. So many wild claims it's hard to keep track of them. Some people are saying 99% of covid cases are unvaccinated some are saying 99% of deaths. In either case no evidence has been presented to substantiate either one of those claims. Faucci was even asked to show the statistics backing up his 99% claim and he refused. So here is your opportunity. Show me some statistics that prove 99% (or even a majority) of covid deaths are unvaccinated people. If you try to cop out and say something to the effect of "you wont believe it anyways" that's an admission that you have no evidence.

[Lucky2Lucky 2,526]

42 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Not a comprehension problem. So many wild claims it's hard to keep track of them. Some people are saying 99% of covid cases are unvaccinated some are saying 99% of deaths. In either case no evidence has been presented to substantiate either one of those claims. Faucci was even asked to show the statistics backing up his 99% claim and he refused. So here is your opportunity. Show me some statistics that prove 99% (or even a majority) of covid deaths are unvaccinated people. If you try to cop out and say something to the effect of "you wont believe it anyways" that's an admission that you have no evidence.

I already posted an article from the AP, guess you didn’t care to read it.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/covid-unvaccinated-dc-maryland-virginia/2021/08/11/f8071702-fa04-11eb-8a67-f14cd1d28e47_story.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/weartv.com/amp/news/local/64th-coffee-with-commissioners-held-virtually-in-escambia-county

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/coronavirus/2021/8/10/22618163/covid-deaths-vaccinated-data-how-many-die

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

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[LIBrty4all 3,749]

5 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Because he adjusted his approach he was able to win the trust of the community which actively participated in the studies that ultimately conquered the disease. 

 

Fauci "adjusted his approach" to masks so many times last year that he now only has flip-flops in his closet for footwear.  I trust him about as much as I trust Cuomo.

Edited August 13, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[Ban Hammer 13,365]

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

5 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

As I have said elsewhere, yes, a mask can stop the forward progress from our mouths for the most part.  And our breath vapors (unseen except in colder climates) will mostly exhaust upwards and rearwards around the edges of the mask.  SOME moisture will be maintained in our masks (even the terrible cloth ones), but the majority will simply escape into a vapor BEHIND us as we walk.  In a grocery store setting, the person walking 6-10 feet behind us will then walk right thru that cloud, and the moisture and virus particles will settle on them, as well as be breathed in AROUND their mask when they inhale.

 

Wear a mask, don't wear a mask.  The only thing they REALLY do is make us uncomfortable and force us to take in more C02 than ever before.