US plans to require COVID-19 shots for foreign travelers

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

3 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

How many employers have mandated vaccines before these new Covid vaccines besides the military/hospitals?  I know when I hired into my current company, there were no mandated vaccines.  CNN just fired three employees for not having the Covid vaccine and coming to work.  I guess they are fine with a Zoom pervert and sexual harassment enabler as long as they have had their vaccine.

Several states mandate flu vaccines for certain health care workers with exceptions for Ada and religious objections 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Illinois for one 

Never heard of that employer.  How many employees do they have?

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

7 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Illinois for one 

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Breaking Down Illinois’s New Law

Illinois law now essentially requires flu shots for employees at more than 3,000 state-licensed hospital and health care facilities, including long-term care facilities. There are only a few exemptions.

 

Under the public health department’s new rules, all facilities must offer the influenza vaccine to employees and only allow someone to decline if they have a religious objection or “some sort of medical problem that would be complicated by getting the vaccine,” says Democratic state Sen. Bill Cunningham of Chicago, one of the law’s lead sponsors.

 

http://www.dph.illinois.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Minimum Immunization Requirements.pdf 

 

https://will.illinois.edu/news/story/illinois-tightens-flu-shot-requirements-for-health-workers.-but-whos-enforc

 

Health care workers.  Not everyone.

 

 

 

On Illinois covid:   https://www.daily-journal.com/news/illinois/bill-looks-to-prevent-mandatory-vaccination/article_732c9d76-9074-11eb-8bff-a7f1e9d7bd42.html 

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2 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

 

http://www.dph.illinois.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Minimum Immunization Requirements.pdf 

 

https://will.illinois.edu/news/story/illinois-tightens-flu-shot-requirements-for-health-workers.-but-whos-enforc

 

Health care workers.  Not everyone.

 

 

 

On Illinois covid:   https://www.daily-journal.com/news/illinois/bill-looks-to-prevent-mandatory-vaccination/article_732c9d76-9074-11eb-8bff-a7f1e9d7bd42.html 

I said for certain healthcare workers

 

Me- "Several states mandate flu vaccines for certain health care workers with exceptions for Ada and religious objections "

 

You need glasses ?

 

 

3 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

 

http://www.dph.illinois.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Minimum Immunization Requirements.pdf 

 

https://will.illinois.edu/news/story/illinois-tightens-flu-shot-requirements-for-health-workers.-but-whos-enforc

 

Health care workers.  Not everyone.

 

 

 

On Illinois covid:   https://www.daily-journal.com/news/illinois/bill-looks-to-prevent-mandatory-vaccination/article_732c9d76-9074-11eb-8bff-a7f1e9d7bd42.html 

You do realize you just confirmed what I said LOL

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29 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Many. Employers have the legal right with some exceptions.

16 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Illinois for one 

 

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I said for certain healthcare workers

 

Me- "Several states mandate flu vaccines for certain health care workers with exceptions for Ada and religious objections "

 

You need glasses ?

I think one of us does.   

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You do realize you just confirmed what I said LOL

No, I because I posted what I did before you changed what you were saying.  I was proving what I said earlier... hospitals and military.  Those are typically the ones forced to get a flu vaccine.  I was asking Yuna for OTHER employers who insist on forced flu vaccines, and you jumped in.

 

So now I will ask you... what other employers, outside of health care (and not very many of those) and the military, require flu vaccines?

 

In fact, only 18 states have a 

 

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Hospital Healthcare Worker Flu Vaccination Laws Eighteen states establish flu vaccination requirements for hospital healthcare workers. These laws establish requirements based on the hospital type and the type of vaccination requirements. In addition, some state laws allow for vaccination exemptions.

https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/menu-shfluvacclaws.pdf

 

And if you care to read the document, you'll find that most of those 18 states simply have a reporting requirement, such as CA:

 

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 Under California law, "[e]ach general acute care hospital shall require its employees to be vaccinated, or if the employee elects not to be vaccinated, to declare in writing that he or she has declined the vaccination.”17

 

and NY:
 

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New York law requires that hospitals “document the influenza vaccination status of all personnel for the current influenza season in each individual's personnel record or other appropriate record.”22

 

And your favorite, IL:

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 Illinois law requires that the University of Illinois Hospital develop “[p]rocedures for offering immunization against influenza virus when available between September 1 and April 1” to patients aged 65 years or older.44

 

I'll let you read the rest of them.  You'll find that the flu vaccine is still by and large... voluntary.  AS IT SHOULD BE   This is America, the land of the FREE.

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35 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Never heard of that employer.  How many employees do they have?

About 110k actually 

[TBoneTX 45,394]

6 hours ago, yuna628 said:

It is a very high bar for that waiver

"I'll simply cross illegally, and there's my exemption," one might reason.

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49 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

"I'll simply cross illegally, and there's my exemption," one might reason.

I thought advocating for bypassing our immigration laws was a violation of our TOS bible. 😄

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3 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I thought advocating for bypassing our immigration laws was a violation of our TOS bible. 😄

Don't worry, Can Am will be along shortly to tell everyone not to follow that terrible advice.

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4 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

"I'll simply cross illegally, and there's my exemption," one might reason.

Which is kind of the point of what I was saying before. Illegal immigrants having no vaccine. US Citizens that don't get vaccine. All human beings. If we're all about personal liberty then why make legal immigrants get vaccines then?

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3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Which is kind of the point of what I was saying before. Illegal immigrants having no vaccine. US Citizens that don't get vaccine. All human beings. If we're all about personal liberty then why make legal immigrants get vaccines then?

I know you know this, but the rules to immigrate into the country say immigrants must have certain vaccinations.  And there are rules that say USC must have certain vaccinations.  But as US-born residents, no one can kick us out if we choose to not follow the vaccine requirements.  OTOH, immigrants kinda HAVE to follow the rules if they wish to immigrate legally.

 

Ditto the Civics test... a requirements for USC applicants, but not USBC.

Edited August 7, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[jg121783 3,915]

14 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Which is kind of the point of what I was saying before. Illegal immigrants having no vaccine. US Citizens that don't get vaccine. All human beings. If we're all about personal liberty then why make legal immigrants get vaccines then?

The whole premise of your argument seems to be that legal immigrants should be required to have vaccines and since they are required to all people should be required to and that is somehow personal liberty. Correct me if I am wrong. I would argue that personal liberty is informed consent for all medical treatments for everyone without coercion. Therefore I don't think immigrants or any group of people should be required to take any vaccine. I guess one could make the argument though that immigrants aren't being required to do anything. They could simply choose to not immigrate and forego the vaccines. That being said I still don't think vaccines should be a requirement for immigration.

Edited August 7, 2021 by jg121783

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3 hours ago, jg121783 said:

The whole premise of your argument seems to be that legal immigrants should be required to have vaccines and since they are required to all people should be required to and that is somehow personal liberty. Correct me if I am wrong. I would argue that personal liberty is informed consent for all medical treatments for everyone without coercion. Therefore I don't think immigrants or any group of people should be required to take any vaccine. I guess one could make the argument though that immigrants aren't being required to do anything. They could simply choose to not immigrate and forego the vaccines. That being said I still don't think vaccines should be a requirement for immigration.

You may not think vaccines should be required for immigration, but they are, and the courts uphold this as legitimate.  Adding Covid-19 to the list is only different in that it has emergency authorization because, we are in the middle of an emergency.  You seem to be making a moral argument. Which is covered under immigration policy :

 

A. General

An applicant seeking an immigrant visa at a U.S. consulate or an applicant seeking adjustment of status in the United States who is found inadmissible for not being vaccinated ^[1] may be eligible for the following waivers:

• The applicant has, by the date of the decision on the visa or adjustment application, received vaccination against the vaccine-preventable disease(s) for which he or she had previously failed to present documentation; ^[2] 

• The civil surgeon or panel physician certifies that such vaccination would not be medically appropriate; ^[3] or

• The requirement of such a vaccination would be contrary to the applicant’s religious beliefs or moral convictions. ^[4] 

 

^{The concept of traveling to or through the US without being vaccinated is another topic.}

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21 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

You may not think vaccines should be required for immigration, but they are, and the courts uphold this as legitimate.  Adding Covid-19 to the list is only different in that it has emergency authorization because, we are in the middle of an emergency.  You seem to be making a moral argument. Which is covered under immigration policy :

His spouse is from the Philippines, so of course he is aware of the immunization requirements, since they complied with them at the time of her immigration.

 

What he is saying is that he doesn't think immigrants should be forced to get vaccines against their own will, the same as any USC.