US plans to require COVID-19 shots for foreign travelers

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,367]

6 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

I am not an anti-vaxxer.  Am fully vaccinated against everything I am required to be, and probably more vaccines than you have taken.

 

But no, if it is approved in a month or two, I will still oppose it, because it HAS NOT been thru the rigorous, normal testing that the FDA requires for most drugs/vaccines, period.  

 

 

 

Its gone thru way more testing than Ivomectin 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,367]

7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

I am not an anti-vaxxer.  Am fully vaccinated against everything I am required to be, and probably more vaccines than you have taken.

 

But no, if it is approved in a month or two, I will still oppose it, because it HAS NOT been thru the rigorous, normal testing that the FDA requires for most drugs/vaccines, period.  

 

 

 

So you are fully vaccinated against everything you are Required to be, but no one is going to Require you to take a vaccine...

 

 

I will just leave that right there

[yuna628 9,646]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Yes but we will rush to take heart worm medicine because Day seen it on the internets 

Yep. I know....  you know... it'd be great if others could know.

 

6 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Anti-vaxxers will always be there regardless.  I am more interested in why they are pushing the vaccine so hard now especially on those that already recovered from confirmed Covid19.  We will see what happens, but the flu vaccine was never mandated for USCs, not sure why the various Covid19 vaccines would be different (I know, Covid19 is not the flu, but the numbers are are really starting to show that it is regardless of the fear mongering).

 

As to full approval, who knows when that will happen, I think only Pfizer and Moderna have applied for full approval.  I expect the FDA will accelerate their process (probably a bad idea for a bloated government bureaucracy), but I suspect it will still be several months away.

You do know that those who contracted COVID may not have the antibodies you assume them to have (this can unfortunately also be the same way with the vaccine). Do you know that if you contract it a second time, it may in some cases be more fatal in consequence? There is no reason why you shouldn't get the vaccine, after you have recovered. The family member that passed had already survived one round with COVID. They did not survive their second. Hospitals and other employers mandate for flu all the time, and immigrants are certainly instructed to obtain that vaccine when it is in season.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

14 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Its gone thru way more testing than Ivomectin 

Ok.  I'll wait for your medical proof of this statement.  

 

Before you hurt yourself, let me point out that Ivermectin was discovered in 1975, and used medically since 1981.  Using maff, that's 40 years of use, plus another SIX years of testing.

 

How many years of testing has the covid experimental medicine undergone?  0.7 MAYBE???

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by LIBrty4all

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,367]

11 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Ok.  I'll wait for your medical proof of this statement.  

 

Before you hurt yourself, let me point out that Ivermectin was discovered in 1975, and used medically since 1981.  Using maff, that's 40 years of use, plus another SIX years of testing.

 

How many years of testing has the covid experimental medicine undergone?  0.7 MAYBE???

 

Tested for use against covid.  Come on man 

[Dashinka 24,109]

13 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yep. I know....  you know... it'd be great if others could know.

 

You do know that those who contracted COVID may not have the antibodies you assume them to have (this can unfortunately also be the same way with the vaccine). Do you know that if you contract it a second time, it may in some cases be more fatal in consequence? There is no reason why you shouldn't get the vaccine, after you have recovered. The family member that passed had already survived one round with COVID. They did not survive their second. Hospitals and other employers mandate for flu all the time, and immigrants are certainly instructed to obtain that vaccine when it is in season.

It's all about the B-cells and T-cells, not necessarily the antibodies.  Regardless, not enough information one way or the other.  No one knows how long the vaccine effectiveness lasts, but there are some that would be considered experts that seem to think natural immunity is better even if antibodies are no longer detected.

 

 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Tested for use against covid.  Come on man 

Stop moving the goalposts, you are NOT a liberal.

 

Ivermectin is a tried and proven medicine.  You brought it up, not I.  I have never once said it should be used as a covid treatment.  But if someone wished to use it, at least it is FDA approved, and would most likely cause no harm if used properly.  In fact, people have been using it EVERY DAY FOR DECADES with no ill effects.  That's what time does for a drug.  

 

The experimental drugs being pushed by today's administration are not time-proven.  There really is no comparison.  

[Dashinka 24,109]

5 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Tested for use against covid.  Come on man 

Since we are all about medical experimentation, why not Ivermectin?  There are studies out there that show some effectiveness, who knows, but with our current social media censoring environment, I guess we cannot even ask for it.  Heck, there was even a study done here in MI on hydroxychloroquine by Henry Ford Health that was positive including reducing the effects of "Long Covid".  Open-mindedness is a virtue.

 

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

22 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yep. I know....  you know... it'd be great if others could know.

 

You do know that those who contracted COVID may not have the antibodies you assume them to have (this can unfortunately also be the same way with the vaccine). Do you know that if you contract it a second time, it may in some cases be more fatal in consequence? There is no reason why you shouldn't get the vaccine, after you have recovered. The family member that passed had already survived one round with COVID. They did not survive their second. Hospitals and other employers mandate for flu all the time, and immigrants are certainly instructed to obtain that vaccine when it is in season.

Hospitals and the military.  What other employers mandate a flu vaccine?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,367]

8 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Hospitals and the military.  What other employers mandate a flu vaccine?

Many. Employers have the legal right with some exceptions.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Many. Employers have the legal right with some exceptions.

Quote

While workplaces outside of the medical, child care, or elder care fields might have trouble justifying mandatory vaccines such as a flu shot, that doesn't mean an organization can't strongly recommend employees get vaccinated—especially in the middle of a pandemic.

From a HR legal website.

 

Can you share just a few of the "many"?  I am not familiar with this requirement.

[Dashinka 24,109]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Many. Employers have the legal right with some exceptions.

How many employers have mandated vaccines before these new Covid vaccines besides the military/hospitals?  I know when I hired into my current company, there were no mandated vaccines.  CNN just fired three employees for not having the Covid vaccine and coming to work.  I guess they are fine with a Zoom pervert and sexual harassment enabler as long as they have had their vaccine.

[Neonred 3,514]

42 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

 

You do know that those who contracted COVID may not have the antibodies you assume them to have (this can unfortunately also be the same way with the vaccine). Do you know that if you contract it a second time, it may in some cases be more fatal in consequence? There is no reason why you shouldn't get the vaccine, after you have recovered. The family member that passed had already survived one round with COVID. They did not survive their second. Hospitals and other employers mandate for flu all the time, and immigrants are certainly instructed to obtain that vaccine when it is in season.

Current thought is that people that have previously had COVID, especially the first strain, have antibodies to that first ,"native" strain but may not be protected from newer variants.  Seems these people benefit greatly with a vaccine giving them better protection for variants.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,367]

5 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

From a HR legal website.

 

Can you share just a few of the "many"?  I am not familiar with this requirement.

Illinois for one 

[milimelo 4,413]

40 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yep. I know....  you know... it'd be great if others could know.

 

You do know that those who contracted COVID may not have the antibodies you assume them to have (this can unfortunately also be the same way with the vaccine). Do you know that if you contract it a second time, it may in some cases be more fatal in consequence? There is no reason why you shouldn't get the vaccine, after you have recovered. The family member that passed had already survived one round with COVID. They did not survive their second. Hospitals and other employers mandate for flu all the time, and immigrants are certainly instructed to obtain that vaccine when it is in season.

Yeah, look how great the dengue shot went in the Phillippines - killed ~700 kids due to ADE. Seemed perfect with antibodies after the shot, exposed to wild virus kids died. Same thing for the attempted corona virus vaccines - killed all animals - ferrets, cats. The current shots were not tested on animals to test for ADE. ADE - Auto-immune disease enhancement also known as pathogenic priming.