Covid Vaccine and Immigrants

[flicks1998 1,044]

55 minutes ago, top_secret said:

My wife hasn't been able to get COVID vaccine in the Philippines although she has tried.  It is simply unavailable in her area.  While it has no impact at all on US immigration plans, the most immediate problem with that is it has derailed our plans to meet in Europe so we can spend time together while we wait for this visa.  It looks as if non-vaccinated Filipinos are not getting into Schengen countries even if they can get the tourist visa.   As an alternate vacation spot we are looking at Montenegro where we could possibly have a nice vacation together and she could get some vax.   We are both pretty comfortable with her getting ronavax seeing as how it has been tested on like 3.6 Billion people at this point, including myself.

If you plan to meet up in Europe, especially within the EU, it will be best for her to get an EU approved vaccine and not one from China or Russia.  Those can be especially difficult to find in the Philippines. 

 

Proof of vaccination with EU-approved vaccine (Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson or Oxford/AstraZeneca)

[El Escocés 217]

4 hours ago, Murph4865 said:

How does opinions kill us compared to a experimental drug that has killed thousands and hundreds of thousands side effects

Believe it or not, VJ even has a forum for this sort of disinformation and conspiracy theories...believe me, it's not for the faint of heart nor for the sane of mind

 

The basement: https://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/145-current-events-and-hot-social-topics/

 

[Crazy Cat 42,433]

More than 99% of recent Covid deaths in the US are UNVACCINATED people...... Millions and millions of us who have been vaccinated suffered no serious side effects.  I chose to get the vaccine. My wife made the same choice. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Lucky Cat

[Chocobo 196]

How about everyone just go and do what they feel is best for themselves and their families and not assume that people who want to get the jab are ignorant and those who don't want to get the jab are crazy.  Hm?   Insulting people will not get you the results you want.

[top_secret 2,535]

3 minutes ago, flicks1998 said:

If you plan to meet up in Europe, especially within the EU, it will be best for her to get an EU approved vaccine and not one from China or Russia.  Those can be especially difficult to find in the Philippines. 

 

Proof of vaccination with EU-approved vaccine (Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson or Oxford/AstraZeneca)

Yea, but fortunately the Philippines finally came around and has on order 77 million doses between Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca.  However belated ordering means belated delivery.  Indonesia just got 2 million doses of Moderna and is using it as boosters for their health care workers previously vaccinated with Sinovac.  Since the Sinovac alone doesn't seem to be offering much protection.  Malaysia just announced they will stop using Sinovac and Thailand is offering AstraZeneca boosters to their health care workers previously vaccinated with Sinovac.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

1 hour ago, Lucky Cat said:

More than 99% of recent Covid deaths in the US are UNVACCINATED people...

This is the answer to the question of whether opinions kill people. Yes, they do. 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

54 minutes ago, Chocobo said:

How about everyone just go and do what they feel is best for themselves and their families and not assume that people who want to get the jab are ignorant and those who don't want to get the jab are crazy.  Hm?   Insulting people will not get you the results you want.

This might be a great solution if not being vaccinated didn’t affect anyone else, but that’s not how contagious viruses work.

[El Escocés 217]

54 minutes ago, Chocobo said:

How about everyone just go and do what they feel is best for themselves and their families and not assume that people who want to get the jab are ignorant and those who don't want to get the jab are crazy.  Hm?   Insulting people will not get you the results you want.

 

i wish we lived in a world where this sentiment is prominent. However making comments on a public forum that vaccines kill thousands without a reliable source suggests that we do not.

[Adventine 3,214]

1 hour ago, Lucky Cat said:

More than 99% of recent US Covid hospitalizations and deaths  are UNVACCINATED people...... Millions and millions of us who have been vaccinated suffered no serious side effects.  

 

Personally I'm glad that my husband and I got the COVID vaccine as soon as we could. The last thing I wanted was to start my life in the US by being hospitalized far away from most of my family and support system. The peace of mind was worth it.

 

To go back to the original topic, there is no current US immigration-related requirement to get a COVID vaccine but it's becoming a necessity for international travel (to the EU, Canada and I'm sure many other countries will follow). It just makes sense to get it as soon as you can.

[From_CAN_2_US 1,106]

I really hope NVC eventually makes it mandatory for all immigrants to be vaccinated before granting them their visa. I mean if you are required to be vaccinated against measles and chicken pox, why not COVID considering it is our biggest health threat right now.

 

I understand it may not make sense to make it mandatory everywhere currently as not everyone has access to vaccines. I hope they start phasing it in by consulate. In Canada for example, we are at a point where everyone who wants a vaccine can get one, so I see no reason for not making it mandatory for everyone who interviews at Montreal.

Edited July 19, 2021 by From_CAN_2_US

[mushroomspore 3,044]

1 hour ago, Chocobo said:

How about everyone just go and do what they feel is best for themselves and their families and not assume that people who want to get the jab are ignorant and those who don't want to get the jab are crazy.  Hm?   Insulting people will not get you the results you want.

I think most people here recognize that it's a personal choice. And hey, some people (SOME) have legitimate health issues that the vaccine may interfere with. That's between those people and their doctors. And that's totally fine. What's NOT fine is people saying flagrantly false things like, "The vaccine has killed thousands of people and it has hundreds of thousands of side effects." Saying stuff like this (especially if the person saying those things is not a medical expert and/or provides absolutely no reputable scientifically-backed sources to their claims) IS crazy.

[Chocobo 196]

17 minutes ago, mushroomspore said:

I think most people here recognize that it's a personal choice. And hey, some people (SOME) have legitimate health issues that the vaccine may interfere with. That's between those people and their doctors. And that's totally fine. What's NOT fine is people saying flagrantly false things like, "The vaccine has killed thousands of people and it has hundreds of thousands of side effects." Saying stuff like this (especially if the person saying those things is not a medical expert and/or provides absolutely no reputable scientifically-backed sources to their claims) IS crazy.

I hear ya.  It is good when people look at it rationally like that.  I think, too, that there are a lot of people who aren't anti-vaccine in general, but are holding back to wait and see how things shake out, as the scientific community (heck, the entire world) is still learning about the effects of the vaccine and COVID in general.  The CDC keeps updating its list of side effects (some of which are quite serious) and the number of reported deaths (which they correctly state that it is unknown how many of the 6,079 deaths are due to the vaccine or something else.)  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html  

[dirtyhippiegirl 85]

51 minutes ago, Chocobo said:

I hear ya.  It is good when people look at it rationally like that.  I think, too, that there are a lot of people who aren't anti-vaccine in general, but are holding back to wait and see how things shake out, as the scientific community (heck, the entire world) is still learning about the effects of the vaccine and COVID in general.  The CDC keeps updating its list of side effects (some of which are quite serious) and the number of reported deaths (which they correctly state that it is unknown how many of the 6,079 deaths are due to the vaccine or something else.)  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html  

The real problem is that people are awful at understanding statistics/math/science. They suck at critical reading and source evaluation and can't accurately weigh pros and cons very well because they suck at all of the above. Like, you're obviously seriously weighing the VAERs death reporting to make a decision but the reported deaths are literally anyone who has received a COVID vaccine and then died at any point since receiving the vaccine. This is inappropriate information to be using to judge whether you should vaccinate or not because it means very little. 

[SalishSea 18,170]

For anyone who is confused about the data, and prefers anecdotal information:  I am an oncology RN for a major cancer hospital in Seattle.  My colleagues and I spent a year risking our lives to do this work.

 

My job is administering chemotherapy and biotherapy to cancer patients.  Chemotherapy kills cancer cells, but also kills healthy cells, such as infection-fighting white blood cells, which makes chemo patients extra vulnerable to infection.

 

It was my employer's stance that most solid tumor patients could (and should) safely be vaccinated for COVID.  Between December of 2020 and June of 2021, we gave >77,000 vaccines to some of the most vulnerable people out there.  And guess what?  NONE of them died from the vaccine.

 

Thanks to everyone reading this thread who made the choice to protect themselves and others.  

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

2 hours ago, Chocobo said:

which they correctly state that it is unknown how many of the 6,079 deaths are due to the vaccine or something else.) 

So some number less than 6k is - maybe - due to side effects.

on the other hand we have just in the US, 608k deaths, and the global number is known to be underreported especially in Africa and india but is already over 4 million.   What do those numbers say about the balance of probabilities? Like any vaccine out there, the chances  of serous side effects exist but are minuscule compared to what happens if you get the disease. Gee, I wonder why we don’t need to have smallpox vaccinations anymore yet no one dies of smallpox these days, And the people talking about “experimental drugs” yada yada clearly do not understand how scientific trials work. 

 

(What gets me is that so many people who are anti dismiss it as some kind of left wing push, yet even Trump - who got COVID so knows how bad it is , luckily for him he had the best medical care you can get - got the vaccine pretty much as soon as he could.)