Is TONS of evidence really necessary for I-751?

[AKF2015 10]

23lbs sound excessive but I guess every one would have different items to include. I would just provide exactly what they asked you and make sure everything is labeled in order, and are correct. I organized our packet with these documents, got approved without interviews or RFEs.

 

[Rocio0010 5,579]

On 7/14/2021 at 2:30 PM, mindthegap said:

What if you live in a fancy Manhattan apartment building which doesn’t need keys because it has a full time doorman? 

Then you’d get a RFE for a selfie with said doorman.

Bonus points if you bring him to the interview (if you get one)

[Jens79 64]

On 7/12/2021 at 3:01 PM, carmel34 said:

528 pages here, half of that consisted of joint credit card statements for 3 years since the marriage date.  The I-751 instructions say (bold added for emphasis): "Submit copies of documents indicating that the marriage upon which you were granted conditional status was entered in “good faith” and was not for the purpose of circumventing immigration laws. Submit copies of as many documents as you can to establish this fact, to demonstrate the circumstances of the relationship from the date of the marriage to the present date, and to demonstrate any circumstances surrounding the end of the relationship, if it has ended."  So we followed those instructions literally and it ended up being 528 pages.

 

 

That's completely unnecessary. Normally, people don't read something “literally”. Usually you are able to put things in a context and figure out what actually makes sense. Are you trying to overwhelm the officer, or what's the point in sending all this stuff?

[Rocio0010 5,579]

22 minutes ago, Jens79 said:

Normally, people don't read something “literally”.

With USCIS you sort of have to .

 

22 minutes ago, Jens79 said:

figure out what actually makes sense. A

With USCIS you have to think that what makes sense for you, doesn’t necessarily makes sense for them. YOU know your context , they don’t. So the more quality evidence you can send, the better.

[Scandi 4,166]

38 minutes ago, Jens79 said:

That's completely unnecessary. Normally, people don't read something “literally”. Usually you are able to put things in a context and figure out what actually makes sense. Are you trying to overwhelm the officer, or what's the point in sending all this stuff?

Lol, USCIS employees don't work or think that way. "Sense" is not a thing with USCIS". They even send RFEs asking for translations of British birth certificates. 🙈 You just can't be clear enough when it comes to USCIS, often they need "everything" explained to them. 

 

I wrote little captions on many of the documents I sent, just to make things EXTRA clear to them. Even circled certain things on the bank statements. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Scandi

[Rocio0010 5,579]

2 minutes ago, Scandi said:

They even send RFEs asking for translations of British birth certificates.

You have to be kidding me🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[Jens79 64]

2 hours ago, Scandi said:

Lol, USCIS employees don't work or think that way. "Sense" is not a thing with USCIS". They even send RFEs asking for translations of British birth certificates. 🙈 You just can't be clear enough when it comes to USCIS, often they need "everything" explained to them. 

 

I wrote little captions on many of the documents I sent, just to make things EXTRA clear to them. Even circled certain things on the bank statements. 

Well, you only have your data point, which is your experience of your own case, and I have mine. I sent a few bills, a contract for a house we own, maybe 10 pictures that represented different activities what we've done during the two year period and a few other things from the list. Nothing extensive at all. Don't remember the number of pages, but it was far less than the original application for the CR1 visa, maybe 50 pages all together. 

I had zero issues. Never gotten an RFE. I even started out the interview in a strong way (wouldn't  recommend it, though!) by completely forgetting what date we married. All I could remember was July and I had to quickly count backwards to get to the right year. A little stressful, but I was approved with no issues.  

[Scandi 4,166]

32 minutes ago, Jens79 said:

Well, you only have your data point, which is your experience of your own case, and I have mine. I sent a few bills, a contract for a house we own, maybe 10 pictures that represented different activities what we've done during the two year period and a few other things from the list. Nothing extensive at all. Don't remember the number of pages, but it was far less than the original application for the CR1 visa, maybe 50 pages all together. 

I had zero issues. Never gotten an RFE. I even started out the interview in a strong way (wouldn't  recommend it, though!) by completely forgetting what date we married. All I could remember was July and I had to quickly count backwards to get to the right year. A little stressful, but I was approved with no issues.  

It's likely very different when you have an interview, those of who don't get an interview likely need to provide more as they never even meet us and don't get a chance to question us. All they have from us is the pile of documents. 

[Ang Oras 13]

On 7/12/2021 at 12:27 PM, Reed1812 said:

Hello,

 

I am getting ready to put together my I-751 and after following a few threads here the amount of evidence people are sending seems staggering. One persons package weighed 23lb!

 

So far I have got all the regular stuff together, finances, insurance, home ownership, trips away etc and I am confident my evidence will be way below 100 pages, maybe even below 50. 

 

Which is right? I cannot help but think overloading and drowning the officers with 1000s of pages of evidence contributes to the problem of how slow the USCIS is.....or am I missing something and my I-751 is insufficient?

 

Would be interesting to hear how many pages (approx.) you guys sent.

 

Thanks. Great forum as always.

 

 

Hello ours was well over 200 pages it isn't any set amount but you must prove your marriage in my opinion this petition requires far more evidence than the original CR-130 mess up on this one your spouse will be deported that's a given they really don't have to send a RFE or NOID. 

[Rocio0010 5,579]

2 minutes ago, Thomas Reinhardt said:

Hello ours was well over 200 pages it isn't any set amount but you must prove your marriage in my opinion this petition requires far more evidence than the original CR-130 mess up on this one your spouse will be deported that's a given they really don't have to send a RFE or NOID. 

Please don’t spread fear and panic over lies. There is a process to be deported, and only an immigration judge can take away a resident status. And that usually takes years. No need to spread fear or panic, or to tell somebody to start the process with panic over something that is not realistic. Very few I-751s are denied.

[mindthegap 2,590]

3 hours ago, Thomas Reinhardt said:

Hello ours was well over 200 pages it isn't any set amount but you must prove your marriage in my opinion this petition requires far more evidence than the original CR-1

This is true 

 

3 hours ago, Thomas Reinhardt said:

 mess up on this one your spouse will be deported that’s a given

This is not true
 

3 hours ago, Thomas Reinhardt said:

 they really don't have to send a RFE or NOID. 

This is true. I’ve not had a single RFE throughout this entire process, yet have had two denials and no NOID.

However this doesn’t change the fact that there is a defined legal process which is lengthy, time consuming and stressful to be followed and you remain a lawful permanent resident throughout until an immigration judge says otherwise 
 

[Xyra 13]

On 7/14/2021 at 10:02 PM, Reed1812 said:

Thank you for all your help so far. Here is a condensed version of what is in my petition

 

 - Usual IDs showing same address

 - Tax transcripts for 2019 & 2020. A few pay slips for 2021 showing same address

 - A few bank statements showing joint account for mortgage, utility bills as well as showing joint savings

 - Health insurance cards showing us both listed

 - 401k plans for both of us with the other as beneficiary 

 - Car insurance

 - Flights and selection of hotels

 - Pictures of us

 

My main concern is shared liabilities. I am not on the mortgage or any bills, we just never got around to it. We do not have any loans or car loans either. Will this hinder my petition?

 

My packet was pretty small when I sent it, I wasn't on the mortgage, or many of the utility bills, and it didn't cause me any issues. You'll be fine

[Ang Oras 13]

On 7/12/2021 at 12:27 PM, Reed1812 said:

Hello,

 

I am getting ready to put together my I-751 and after following a few threads here the amount of evidence people are sending seems staggering. One persons package weighed 23lb!

 

So far I have got all the regular stuff together, finances, insurance, home ownership, trips away etc and I am confident my evidence will be way below 100 pages, maybe even below 50. 

 

Which is right? I cannot help but think overloading and drowning the officers with 1000s of pages of evidence contributes to the problem of how slow the USCIS is.....or am I missing something and my I-751 is insufficient?

 

Would be interesting to hear how many pages (approx.) you guys sent.

 

Thanks. Great forum as always.

 

 

Hello ours was well over 200 pages it isn't any set amount but you must prove your marriage in my opinion this petition requires far more evidence than the original CR-130 mess up on this one your spouse will be deported that's a given they really don't have to send a RFE or NOID. 

[Ang Oras 13]

As stated earlier there is no set amount of evidence some evidence is stronger than others . One thing is for certain you shouldn't send any of the same evidence you sent initially this will be an issue . If you now have children together and are still together this will be the strongest piece of evidence you can produce. 

[Ang Oras 13]

4 hours ago, ra0010 said:

Please don’t spread fear and panic over lies. There is a process to be deported, and only an immigration judge can take away a resident status. And that usually takes years. No need to spread fear or panic, or to tell somebody to start the process with panic over something that is not realistic. Very few I-751s are denied.

What's the lie ???? I'm just answering the question they have asked for an answer from anyone who reads the post and I wasn't spreading fear just stating the facts your I-751 petition must be strong enough to convince the USCIS officer that you are tried and true it's all about proving your word anyone can get married for the wrong reasons on this form they give you another chance to prove you didn't marry to get a visa nor avoid immigration laws be serious this petition will require good evidence.