Is TONS of evidence really necessary for I-751?

[Reed1812 127]

Hello,

 

I am getting ready to put together my I-751 and after following a few threads here the amount of evidence people are sending seems staggering. One persons package weighed 23lb!

 

So far I have got all the regular stuff together, finances, insurance, home ownership, trips away etc and I am confident my evidence will be way below 100 pages, maybe even below 50. 

 

Which is right? I cannot help but think overloading and drowning the officers with 1000s of pages of evidence contributes to the problem of how slow the USCIS is.....or am I missing something and my I-751 is insufficient?

 

Would be interesting to hear how many pages (approx.) you guys sent.

 

Thanks. Great forum as always.

 

 

[NorthByNorthwest 351]

7 minutes ago, Reed1812 said:

Would be interesting to hear how many pages (approx.) you guys sent.

 

Looking back I had a grand total of 44 pages, 20 of which were tax return transcripts, the rest were joint apartment contracts, insurance, joint property deed, property tax statements and some random utility bills that were in either one of our names. No photos, no affidavits.

 

I was approved without interview and no RFEs so no issues - I'd think the married filing jointly tax returns along with the rental contracts and property documents carry the most weight showing that we do live together.

 

Good luck!

[Murphsegj 6]

Just submit what the 751 asks for. They really just want to see shared finances. They already approved your previous green card, so you already have a folder on file.

 

I had to do an interview because i was on deployment for all the other interviews, so i missed them.

 

Affadavits are a joke.

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Murphsegj

[Chocobo 196]

There's something to be said for "quality" over "quantity".  Loading up a package with tons and tons of paperwork that isn't very strong evidence-wise won't guarantee a smooth process.  By the same merit, sending in a mere 20 - 30 pages (if even) doesn't mean that you will get an RFE if what you sent over is some really strong evidence.  

 

Pick your strongest evidence and prioritize that - tax returns, leases, beneficiary designations, joint bank statements, automobile registration, loans etc.  If after assembling, it looks a little weak in some areas, then go ahead and supplement with some more items - photos, affidavits, pet license registrations, etc.  

[USC4SPOUSE 506]

@Reed1812 There is no set formula. The I-751 instructions state they require evidence since the date of your marriage. They want you to cover the entire time you have been married and not just since USCIS approved your AOS. 

I would make sure that you all pages of anything that you decide to submit. Sometimes folks make the mistake of only including the first page of a lease agreement or the first page of bank statements. I would definitely include all pages. 

 

Here is a nice example of a comprehensive I-751 submission. Scroll down to the second post. 

 

[mindthegap 2,590]

There is no correct answer, given the entire process is subjective, against an arbitrary USCIS checklist that isn’t set in stone.

 

If you are referring to me with the mention of a 23lb package, it was actually 28lb and as  mine is a third I-751 filing and I’m dealing with some serious psycho ex issues, it is very far from the norm. 
 

 

[Reed1812 127]

Thanks for all the replies. 

 

Mindthegap. I hope you manage to get your conditions removed smoothly! Sounds like a nightmare.

 

[sweetadams 138]

1 hour ago, Reed1812 said:

Hello,

 

I am getting ready to put together my I-751 and after following a few threads here the amount of evidence people are sending seems staggering. One persons package weighed 23lb!

 

So far I have got all the regular stuff together, finances, insurance, home ownership, trips away etc and I am confident my evidence will be way below 100 pages, maybe even below 50. 

 

Which is right? I cannot help but think overloading and drowning the officers with 1000s of pages of evidence contributes to the problem of how slow the USCIS is.....or am I missing something and my I-751 is insufficient?

 

Would be interesting to hear how many pages (approx.) you guys sent.

 

Thanks. Great forum as always.

 

 

IMO, I do not think the amount or weight of evidence is set in gold....each officer review your cases based on the standards. Submit evidence of bonafide marriage, joint financial, joint tax, regular stuff. I cannot remember the number of pages I sent but I can assure you it was way less than 100 pages. I think my tax return might have been the heaviest one of the documents.

 

Wishing you luck and speed.......

[carmel34 3,621]

528 pages here, half of that consisted of joint credit card statements for 3 years since the marriage date.  The I-751 instructions say (bold added for emphasis): "Submit copies of documents indicating that the marriage upon which you were granted conditional status was entered in “good faith” and was not for the purpose of circumventing immigration laws. Submit copies of as many documents as you can to establish this fact, to demonstrate the circumstances of the relationship from the date of the marriage to the present date, and to demonstrate any circumstances surrounding the end of the relationship, if it has ended."  So we followed those instructions literally and it ended up being 528 pages.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by carmel34
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[Wuozopo 4,293]

3 hours ago, Reed1812 said:

Which is right? I cannot help but think overloading and drowning the officers with 1000s of pages of evidence contributes to the problem of how slow the USCIS is.....or am I missing something and my I-751 is insufficient?

 

Would be interesting to hear how many pages (approx.) you guys sent.

Agree with your thoughts,  as well as they miss the good stuff because it’s hidden in overload. Example I think 4 bank statements spread over the marriage is better than 36 bank statements. Tax transcripts are condensed and don’t fill the folder. 
 

Mine was 75 pages and by far the most pages of any other submission from K1 to naturalisation. Approved without interview.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Wuozopo

[USC4SPOUSE 506]

53 minutes ago, carmel34 said:

528 pages here, half of that consisted of joint credit card statements for 3 years since the marriage date.  The I-751 instructions say (bold added for emphasis): "Submit copies of documents indicating that the marriage upon which you were granted conditional status was entered in “good faith” and was not for the purpose of circumventing immigration laws. Submit copies of as many documents as you can to establish this fact, to demonstrate the circumstances of the relationship from the date of the marriage to the present date, and to demonstrate any circumstances surrounding the end of the relationship, if it has ended."  So we followed those instructions literally and it ended up being 528 pages.  Here's the table of contents:

 

Table of Contents for Evidence I751 redacted.pdf 96.71 kB · 3 downloads

It's exactly what we did.  The instructions are crystal clear - evidence from the date of the marriage to the present date. I do not know how many pages we submitted but the package weighed 13lbs. 

[USC4SPOUSE 506]

Where is @Timona? Timona knows someone who got approved without any evidence - just the I-751 form.  

[Timona 4,207]

35 minutes ago, USC4SPOUSE said:

Where is @Timona? Timona knows someone who got approved without any evidence - just the I-751 form.  

 

Yes. I know the person personally. The person told me, and I quote "Oooo I thought I was just to fill and send the form? That is what I did." I looked at the person and was like 😳.

 

Anyway, the person's I-751 was approved. That was last year. This was the most shocking USCIS story I have ever encountered.

 

Mine was less than 40 pages in total. What made the pages were 3 or 4 bank statements (we have both joint debit and CC. I just chose the one with less pages of statement, which I think was CC, I do not remember), and rest was taken by 2 IRS transcripts. I remember fitting everything in a flat A4 envelope and the envelope looked flat as hell.

 

As already mentioned, it is quality that matters, not quantity.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Timona

[Timona 4,207]

3 hours ago, mindthegap said:

There is no correct answer, given the entire process is subjective, against an arbitrary USCIS checklist that isn’t set in stone.

 

If you are referring to me with the mention of a 23lb package, it was actually 28lb and as  mine is a third I-751 filing and I’m dealing with some serious psycho ex issues, it is very far from the norm. 
 

 

 

I know and remember your case vividly. Hopefully, things turn out great for you. Keep the faith.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Timona

[Timona 4,207]

Will not be surprised if someone hasn't sent a whole crate (attached). If the attached ever hits my desk and I am the IO, my supervisor must surely hate me. I will just submit resignation.

Someone here had sent like 1000 pages, and that was just chats. I even wonder how they knew it was 1000. Did they count it? If 1000 was just chats, I wonder what else they included in the package and what was the final package size. 

I have seen and also heard, of people who sent steamy bedroom pictures and texts. This one might get my attention and even if you send a crate, I will not resign. Just joking 😂 on this one. Please, keep bedroom stuff and sexy name calls to yourselves. They do not prove anything.

 

P.S I know you cannot submit the attached. What I am merely referring to is mountain of evidence the size of the attached.