Need Some advice and help

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

2 hours ago, jakelake said:

I know many people who have received visas after letters from a family member in the US were written for them. That is after having been denied from previous requests.

It's not official but it seems that getting a letter of invite helped their cases.

You personally know …”many”.. ..people ..who were all denied …and then all had a letter written …and then all accepted? Really? So many people you know visiting family in the US who went through exactly the same process of denial then acceptance? You’ll understand people are always sceptical about these type of claims on the Internet.

 

[jakelake 222]

I do not know the specifics. Maybe it varies from country to country. The people that I know all come from Haiti. 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

How many people are we talking, exactly? 3? 5? 50? What counts as “many” when they are all from one place and what you  are saying directly contradicts official information? And now you say you don’t know specifics of the cases? (And you also know “correlation is not causation”, right? Having a letter does not mean it made a difference.)

OP is not from Haiti, by the way.

 

It’s not right to get hopes up that a letter will mean anything when it doesn’t.

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by SusieQQQ

[jakelake 222]

I understand that there is official information. That is the only thing that you can go by. However, none of you can give me cases where a letter has not made a difference.

I know about 15 people in the last 5 years who have gotten visas based on letters from family members requesting that they come to visit. I think that 15 is a lot and that's just people that I know.

These are visas that they have received and not TPS.

I don't know if the embassy in Haiti is doing something unofficial.

 

 

 

 

 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

21 minutes ago, jakelake said:

I understand that there is official information. That is the only thing that you can go by. However, none of you can give me cases where a letter has not made a difference.

I know about 15 people in the last 5 years who have gotten visas based on letters from family members requesting that they come to visit. I think that 15 is a lot and that's just people that I know.

These are visas that they have received and not TPS.

I don't know if the embassy in Haiti is doing something unofficial.

 

 

 

 

 

There are plenty of examples here on VJ threads where people had invitations and got refused visas.

so you know 3 people a year, from haiti, and all that you know is that they submitted letters - you do NOT know that the letters made one iota of difference or if they would have gotten their visas anyway - which is far more likely to be the actual case seeing as the main reason for B visa refusals is lack of ties to home, not whether someone has invited you. You just assumed the letters made a difference just because they submitted them, which is a common mistake. Thank you for clarifying that.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by SusieQQQ

[jakelake 222]

1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:

There are plenty of examples here on VJ threads where people had invitations and got refused visas.

so you know 3 people a year, from haiti, and all that you know is that they submitted letters - you do NOT know that the letters made one iota of difference or if they would have gotten their visas anyway - which is far more likely to be the actual case seeing as the main reason for B visa refusals is lack of ties to home, not whether someone has invited you. You just assumed the letters made a difference just because they submitted them, which is a common mistake. Thank you for clarifying that.

 

 

I assumed that the letters made a difference because the people were initially rejected without them. I think that is a reasonable assumption.

Also, I stated that I knew 15 people in the last 5 years who were approved for visas. I did not say that it was 3 every year for the last 5 years. 

[jakelake 222]

I rest my case.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

28 minutes ago, jakelake said:

I rest my case.

You rest what case? You already stated you don’t know specifics of the cases and yet you keep trying to convince people that something the Department of State says is useless, makes a difference.  Well, people here can decide for themselves whether the official page or some anonymous poster on the net is more reliable.

[arken 4,197]

19 hours ago, jakelake said:

I assumed that the letters made a difference because the people were initially rejected without them. I think that is a reasonable assumption.

Also, I stated that I knew 15 people in the last 5 years who were approved for visas. I did not say that it was 3 every year for the last 5 years. 

In my case it's how you go to the US embassy makes the difference. My unemployed parents took the public bus to go to the US embassy, both got their visitor visas on their first try. My well employed brother (a doctor) who rode his motorcycle to the US embassy got denied twice. On his second try I told him he needs to take the public bus to be able to get the visa but he didn't listen to me and got denied. 

[jakelake 222]

19 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

You rest what case? You already stated you don’t know specifics of the cases and yet you keep trying to convince people that something the Department of State says is useless, makes a difference.  Well, people here can decide for themselves whether the official page or some anonymous poster on the net is more reliable.

Once again, you are noting things that I did not state.

I never tried to convince anyone to go against what the Department of State says. I stated that I knew many people from Haiti who received visas after getter letter invites.

 

 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

9 minutes ago, jakelake said:

Once again, you are noting things that I did not state.

I never tried to convince anyone to go against what the Department of State says. I stated that I knew many people from Haiti who received visas after getter letter invites.

 

 

And you have no way of proving that made any difference. Unless you sat in on the interview and heard the CO say “well we would have refused you but this letter makes the difference, even though the official guidance from my boss is to ignore it”. You are confusing correlation with causation. 
 

 

[jakelake 222]

I rest my case. Again.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

1 minute ago, jakelake said:

I rest my case. Again.

Rest it unproven. lol. Does resting  it mean you keep quiet now?

Edited July 20, 2021 by SusieQQQ

[jakelake 222]

Just now, SusieQQQ said:

Rest it unproven. lol. 

There is nothing to prove since I was not trying to convince anyone. I made an observation and posted it. 

Having said that, if someone tried something and was rejected and then tried something else and then was approved, wouldn't that new thing have made a difference? Maybe it was the embassy in that country? Or was it something else? 

That was just a hypothesis. 

[arken 4,197]

7 minutes ago, jakelake said:

There is nothing to prove since I was not trying to convince anyone. I made an observation and posted it. 

Having said that, if someone tried something and was rejected and then tried something else and then was approved, wouldn't that new thing have made a difference? Maybe it was the embassy in that country? Or was it something else? 

That was just a hypothesis. 

It could be another CO who approved the visa. Each COs will have their own reasoning behind approval and rejection. COs work under DOS and DOS clearly says invitation letter are not required and if brought will have no effect in the decision.

 

9 minutes ago, jakelake said:

if someone tried something and was rejected and then tried something else and then was approved, wouldn't that new thing have made a difference?

Another real story, one of my friend's dad was denied for the visa to come to US for her graduation ceremony. A year and half later later he applied again. He went to a temple a day before the interview and prayed the god for the visa. Next day he got approved. So per your logic, that temple made the difference and should he be telling others to visit that temple to get the visas?