Revealed: neo-Confederate group includes military officers and politicians

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1 minute ago, LIBrty4all said:

Not all slaves were tortured.  Many slaves had a better life in the US than where they came from.  Most slaves were sold into slavery by their own people.  Yes, slavery was a dark time in our history, but it's over, and has been for many years, so no need to cry me any tables.  (Minus what the left party continues to do to minorities today, but it's not PC to call it slavery.  The end result is still the same, however.)

The revisionist history channel at work.

 

 

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

The causes of the ACW are many and complex, certainly not just one issue.

Please, enlighten me.  

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19 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Not all slaves were tortured.  Many slaves had a better life in the US than where they came from.  Most slaves were sold into slavery by their own people.  Yes, slavery was a dark time in our history, but it's over, and has been for many years, so no need to cry me any tables.  (Minus what the left party continues to do to minorities today, but it's not PC to call it slavery.  The end result is still the same, however.)

Anti- CRT  Reported.  I wonder why people so worried about slavery from over a hundred years ago don't seem to be so interested in slavery that occurs today.

 

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There are no end of books on the ACW and most have a view on the causation. Not many will agree, still a debated subject.

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

There are no end of books on the ACW and most have a view on the causation. Not many will agree, still a debated subject.

Slavery was the foundation of the economy of the south prior to the Civil War and was eliminated at the end ( well except for Texas as we learned) .   Dispute over slavery and the designation subhuman status of some groups was clearly the cause of the civil war.  When white supremacy gained power in the 20th century as a reaction to growing economic and political strength of non whites, these alternative history theories appeared. 

 

  

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2 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Slavery was the foundation of the economy of the south prior to the Civil War and was eliminated at the end ( well except for Texas as we learned) .   Dispute over slavery and the designation subhuman status of some groups was clearly the cause of the civil war.  When white supremacy gained power in the 20th century as a reaction to growing economic and political strength of non whites, these alternative history theories appeared. 

You really think that the the North would have gone to war for that reason alone?

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53 minutes ago, Boiler said:

You really think that the the North would have gone to war for that reason alone?

Public outrage over slavery steadily grew from 1820 to the start of the war.  The confederates fired on Fort Sumter to start the war. The Confederacy was a breakaway, invented entity that was never recognized by the Union.  How did the North "go to war"?

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4 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Oh, I see. So the torture and enslavement of human beings, the belief in that some human beings had more rights than others, that some human beings weren't even a human being, and not living up to the "all men are created equal" creed was a good trade-off because otherwise the poor southern economy might collapse. Cry me a river. These excuses are often repeated so much it's laughable how ridiculous they sound and it spits in the face of the Constitution. Yes I guess doing the right thing is just too hard.

pretty much every race has been slaves.  mind sets were different back then.

as for the slavery issue, there is plenty of blame to go around.  and not just from those buying them.....

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55 minutes ago, Boiler said:

You really think that the the North would have gone to war for that reason alone?

even lincoln was willing to overlook the slavery issue if he could preserve the union.
 

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If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

https://spectator.org/lincoln-union-secession/

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9 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Public outrage over slavery steadily grew from 1820 to the start of the war.  The confederates fired on Fort Sumter to start the war. The Confederacy was a breakaway, invented entity that was never recognized by the Union.  How did the North "go to war"?

The North that allowed those with money to buy out of conscription and essentially enforced new immigrants off the boat into the ranks?

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7 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

even lincoln was willing to overlook the slavery issue if he could preserve the union.
 

https://spectator.org/lincoln-union-secession/

I believe this Government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.
--June 16, 1858 House Divided Speech

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Just now, Boiler said:

The North that allowed those with money to buy out of conscription and essentially enforced new immigrants off the boat into the ranks?

Is that speaking to your point about who started the Civil War? 

 

 

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1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

Is that speaking to your point about who started the Civil War? 

 

 

Never discussed that, I was saying the origins are as is often the case multi faceted.

 

I would think a book could be written on the subject, if it has not been.

 

After all the issues around WW2 are also a matter for discussion, that is much more recent.

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2 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

I believe this Government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.
--June 16, 1858 House Divided Speech

and Lincoln wanted to send them all back to Africa. His monument must come down

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3 hours ago, Boiler said:

Never discussed that, I was saying the origins are as is often the case multi faceted.

 

Your point was that the Union started the civil war, which is not true.

 

3 hours ago, Boiler said:

I would think a book could be written on the subject, if it has not been.

 

After all the issues around WW2 are also a matter for discussion, that is much more recent.

 

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3 hours ago, Boiler said:

 

 

I would think a book could be written on the subject, if it has not been.

 

After all the issues around WW2 are also a matter for discussion, that is much more recent.

Here is some reading about the Civil war revisionist to kick your effort off.

https://www.publicbooks.org/big-picture-confederate-revisionist-history/

 

The plain truth is that the Confederate states launched an unconstitutional armed insurrection against the legitimate government of the United States that resulted in the death of more than 700,000 Americans, more than in all other American wars combined. A revolt to preserve slavery is not something Americans should honor with stately monuments or florid displays of the Confederate Battle Flag. In reality, these symbols are tokens of a bloody war fought in defense of a dehumanizing institution, whose only purpose was to enrich a class of wealthy property owners while giving otherwise oppressed poor white Southerners someone even lower on the totem pole to look down upon. It is not a pretty picture.