Sicko

[Kathryn41 3,205]

quote" I've been a fan since the TV Nation days but I won't be going to see Sicko. Basically, the bits about the NHS are lies...pure lies...and sincerely doubt that the rest of the movie would be lie or exaggeration-free."

So, if you haven't seen the movie how are you in a position to know what he says about NHS, let alone that they are lies? It is easy to dismiss something when you don't know what you are talking about. The solution is to become informed - see the movie, then state that the bits about NHS are lies. Your position will have a lot more credibility.

Edited July 8, 2007 by Kathryn41

[Emancipation 2]

So we were in CHURCH today and one of the elders mentions at offering time that our pastor and his family can't make ends meet with all the autism therapies that their child requires... and would the church family consider making sacrifices to help the family right now.

MY BLOOD WAS BOILING.. of course our church pays his premiums and of course he is paid a "decent" salary (as decent as one can be paid for a 24/7 very emotionally draining job. But I'm mad at the FLIPPING system.. What RIGHT does a "insurance" company have to say this condition or that disease's therapies or treatments will or will not be covered. If this was Canada, they'd have a legal right to take the CDN gov to court and sue them for therapy costs. That's a BLOODY system that is functional where you can sue someone for being idiots and for having some sort of leverage against ####### like that.. but I digress...

Edited July 8, 2007 by Emancipation

[homesick_american 1]

homesick american, if your mom had been here in the U.S. without insurance, she just would have died or bankrupted her family trying to get treatment.

Rubbish.

[homesick_american 1]

quote" I've been a fan since the TV Nation days but I won't be going to see Sicko. Basically, the bits about the NHS are lies...pure lies...and sincerely doubt that the rest of the movie would be lie or exaggeration-free."

So, if you haven't seen the movie how are you in a position to know what he says about NHS, let alone that they are lies? It is easy to dismiss something when you don't know what you are talking about. The solution is to become informed - see the movie, then state that the bits about NHS are lies. Your position will have a lot more credibility.

I've read about those segments in the press and have seen various clips, so don't assume that I'm speaking from a position of complete ignorance. I just love it when people make incorrect assumptions. Maybe you should become informed about what *I* have read and seen before calling me ignorant.

I'm so irritated by the outright lies about the NHS that I refuse to spend my own money to see this film. If someone wants to buy me a ticket, I'll gladly watch it. However, Mr Moore already has enough of my money as I own every book he's ever written and every film/TV show he's done up to this point. He won't be getting any more of my money but feel free to give him YOURS. That's my solution for you.

[SqdnGuns 21]

I have heard of horror stories of Canadian, UK and have seen first hand the Swedish healthcare system. None is perfect and a lot of the ####### said about US healthcare is magnified due to the shear size of our population.

Yes, it can be improved, so can everyone else's................

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I have heard of horror stories of Canadian, UK and have seen first hand the Swedish healthcare system. None is perfect and a lot of the ####### said about US healthcare is magnified due to the shear size of our population.

Yes, it can be improved, so can everyone else's................

Yes, every system has problems and every system can be improved. As it stands, though, the US system is hands down the most expensive and least efficient health care system among the industrialized nations. We're paying the most for the least return overall.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

homesick american, if your mom had been here in the U.S. without insurance, she just would have died or bankrupted her family trying to get treatment.

Rubbish.

So, those that lack access to adequate care or those that get squashed by medical bills are all just to stoopid to work their way through the system? Is that what you're saying? That every person in America has adequate access to care and that the care is affordable for everyone? I beg to differ.

[anitacastillo 0]

I just came back from seeing Sicko with a friend. I told her about all the VJ couples I see between Canadians and USCs and wondering how the Canadians feel about leaving a decent system for a vulnerable system here. It has to suck.

Really depressing situation we are in. My friend, 42, had cancer around 27 -- luckily she is better and hasn't had problems when switching between jobs/insurance plans. But she will never be able to get an individual plan.

I am grateful for my health --- but almost afraid to tell my doctor any small issues I may have.....http://www.visajourney.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif

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[Caladan 19]

homesick american, if your mom had been here in the U.S. without insurance, she just would have died or bankrupted her family trying to get treatment.

Rubbish.

You're independently wealthy then?

I grew up without insurance. Just confirming the diagnosis would run you into tens of thousands of dollars. Without treatment. My parents still don't have adequate insurance and they're in their 50s. I'm just hoping I'm not the one that has to pull the plug or sell their house.

[misa 2]

I just came back from seeing Sicko with a friend. I told her about all the VJ couples I see between Canadians and USCs and wondering how the Canadians feel about leaving a decent system for a vulnerable system here. It has to suck.

I think most of the Canadians here will agree that it does indeed suck to leave what we had behind.

[Emancipation 2]

I just came back from seeing Sicko with a friend. I told her about all the VJ couples I see between Canadians and USCs and wondering how the Canadians feel about leaving a decent system for a vulnerable system here. It has to suck.

I think most of the Canadians here will agree that it does indeed suck to leave what we had behind.

Yep.. it's a total turn around in thinking for me.. but i do like the fact that I can choose which Dr. I go to, and I can go to a specialist without a referral... That's a plus I guess..

[misa 2]

Oh yeah, that's a real bonus.

[Fuzzness 2]

quote" I've been a fan since the TV Nation days but I won't be going to see Sicko. Basically, the bits about the NHS are lies...pure lies...and sincerely doubt that the rest of the movie would be lie or exaggeration-free."

So, if you haven't seen the movie how are you in a position to know what he says about NHS, let alone that they are lies? It is easy to dismiss something when you don't know what you are talking about. The solution is to become informed - see the movie, then state that the bits about NHS are lies. Your position will have a lot more credibility.

I've read about those segments in the press and have seen various clips, so don't assume that I'm speaking from a position of complete ignorance. I just love it when people make incorrect assumptions. Maybe you should become informed about what *I* have read and seen before calling me ignorant.

I'm so irritated by the outright lies about the NHS that I refuse to spend my own money to see this film. If someone wants to buy me a ticket, I'll gladly watch it. However, Mr Moore already has enough of my money as I own every book he's ever written and every film/TV show he's done up to this point. He won't be getting any more of my money but feel free to give him YOURS. That's my solution for you.

So are you saying you HAVE seen the movie? It sure sounds like you have to be making such comments about it.

[Emancipation 2]

Oh yeah, that's a real bonus.

Tee hee..

[homesick_american 1]

homesick american, if your mom had been here in the U.S. without insurance, she just would have died or bankrupted her family trying to get treatment.

Rubbish.

So, those that lack access to adequate care or those that get squashed by medical bills are all just to stoopid to work their way through the system? Is that what you're saying? That every person in America has adequate access to care and that the care is affordable for everyone? I beg to differ.

I've known enough people who got cancer treatment from public healthcare to know that such a blanket statement is not true.