Bible-A Closer Look!

[aya*abouelnasr 0]

Sorry that my use of the word "revert" offended you. This is just the term that I have always found when I have been reading about the Islam religion. Either term, revert, or convert, can be used I guess. I totally agree with you about being fortunate enough to live in a country where we are free to follow the religion of our choice.

So many people believe all of the bad things about the religion of Islam, the wife beating, the extremist who follow jihad, and so on. They group all of the ME people into a group and try to make them all sound like a bunch of blood thirsty heathens, simply because they are Muslims.

I for one have not forgotten the real reason the pilgrims ventured here in the first place. To freely worship as they please.

As for me, I have been searching for a long time for a religion to follow, one where I can be at peace with myself, with other people, and most importantly, God. Even before I met my husband, who says that the decision to change my religion is entirely my own to make.

So, with all that said, Happy 4th of July! Let FREEDOM ring!

[peezey 0]

Are people allowed to leave Islam?

uhh, huh?

Let me clarify the question...

Are people allowed to leave Islam?

Is that better?

The question is retarded, hence the confusion. Again I ask, where are these Islam police? There are non-religious muslims, there are atheists who were once muslim, there are christians who were once muslim. Why is this such a complicated concept for you?

[sereia 0]

figures peezey smelled a ripe post to come argue with someone over. what do you do? read the entire board in search of somewhere to come fight with people or to put them down when their opinions don't coincide with yours and ignore all the other posts?

i'm NOT wrong! and you didn't see me comparing islam to any other religion, did you? unlike the OP. i'm sure certain members of the mormon (or many other faiths) would make you feel like an outcast, or as chasnik said, "pretty much dead", but is it written in their books to KILL you if you leave the faith? i think not, but someone who better knows that can answer that one. anyway i agree that that point isn't as important as other aspects of religion. you can easily be athiest or WHATEVER religion and no one would even know it. there are far more important reasons for chosing or NOT chosing a religion.

and right, there is no central caliphate, which i think is a mistake. islam needs to progress a bit for me to give it any kind of consideration.

and again. thank god (or thank my parents for moving here) for allowing me to grow up in a place where i can choose to be whatever religion i feel is right!

and what i do regarding religion with my future husband is none of your business. nice try with your snide remarks though!!!!

Edited July 4, 2007 by abdounjen

[peezey 0]

No, sweet Jen, I only look for ignorant, retarded, misinformed, ill-conceived posts to respond to. It really isn't my fault that they often end up being yours.

Please, tell me where the leaving Islam police are again? And it's not a crime to leave Islam in Morocco, again. I know you've been to a couple music festivals and all that, but gnawa does not a scholar make. So, try again, and I'll be waiting here on this evidence of people who are put to death for leaving Islam.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

i'm not an easily insulted person in general...but i'm insulted when people call it "reverting". muslims may believe that all people were born muslim, but no one else does!

people are not allowed to leave islam. its punishable by death! that alone is a pretty good reason not to convert to islam. good thing these people live in america and have religious freedom! good luck trying to convert from islam to another religion if you lived in a muslim country.

happy independence day!

Since you are marrying a muslim and a muslim man's children are muslim, will you decide to become less ignorant of Islam prior to having children with him?

A muslim man's child must become muslim? Talk about ignorance.

[sereia 0]

you have no idea who i am, my background, my religious beliefs, or what my education is. so STFU and get a life other than sitting on VJ trying to pick fights with people and going on their blogs for hours a day!

yeah, exactly lucky. all things revolve around islam. its reverting. its the children who are automatically muslim. didn't you know?

Edited July 4, 2007 by abdounjen

[sereia 0]

Sorry that my use of the word "revert" offended you. This is just the term that I have always found when I have been reading about the Islam religion. Either term, revert, or convert, can be used I guess. I totally agree with you about being fortunate enough to live in a country where we are free to follow the religion of our choice.

So many people believe all of the bad things about the religion of Islam, the wife beating, the extremist who follow jihad, and so on. They group all of the ME people into a group and try to make them all sound like a bunch of blood thirsty heathens, simply because they are Muslims.

I for one have not forgotten the real reason the pilgrims ventured here in the first place. To freely worship as they please.

As for me, I have been searching for a long time for a religion to follow, one where I can be at peace with myself, with other people, and most importantly, God. Even before I met my husband, who says that the decision to change my religion is entirely my own to make.

So, with all that said, Happy 4th of July! Let FREEDOM ring!

its not just you. all muslims use the term "revert".

btw, good luck in your decision. i think its great your husband isn't pushing you one way or the other. freedom is a precious thing!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

you have no idea who i am, my background, my religious beliefs, or what my education is. so STFU and get a life other than sitting on VJ trying to pick fights with people and going on their blogs for hours a day!

yeah, exactly lucky. all things revolve around islam. its reverting. its the children who are automatically muslim. didn't you know?

no I didn't. I'm one of those 'freedom of religion' fools

[sereia 0]

what a concept!

[LaL 418]

how is religious determination through either parent ignorant? many religions pass through one parent or the other.

Edited July 4, 2007 by lal_brandow

[doodlebug 3]

I don't want to fight with anyone here but leaving Islam is NOT punishable by death per the Islamic religion. People, often those who dislike the religion of Islam, often quote a passage in the Quran that states something along those lines but it's totally taken out of context. Back in the day of the Prophet, pbuh, there were tribes that were converting to Islam falsely so that they could be spies and use the information to attack him and his people. When they left Islam it triggered others to realize who the spy was, and it was wartime and so spies were put to death.

All things in the Quran should not be taken literally and out of context.

[allousa 1]

IMO, religion is an interpertative matter to the individual. Some take it to the extreme and some do not in every religion. I don't believe there are any wrong or right answers here. A true spiritual relationship should be between the indiviual and God. It is my opinion that God will lead you to do what is right.

I think in any of the three books (Torah, Bible, Qur'an) certain passages can be used to illustrate violence. Yet all three contain passages that honor God and speak about being good to fellow man. Again, it's all a matter of interpertation.

[sereia 0]

what about a MAN who is muslim and a WOMAN who is jewish?

in islam the religion is passed through the man.

in judiasm it is passed through the mother.

so what are the children, mmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[doodlebug 3]

how is religious determination through either parent ignorant? many religions pass through one parent or the other.

for example...in the jewish religion if the mother is jewish the child is automatically jewish.

what about a MAN who is muslim and a WOMAN who is jewish?

in islam the religion is passed through the man.

in judiasm it is passed through the mother.

so what are the children, mmmmmmmmmmmmm?

That is something that you should both figure out before you have the children.

[LaL 418]

what about a MAN who is muslim and a WOMAN who is jewish?

in islam the religion is passed through the man.

in judiasm it is passed through the mother.

so what are the children, mmmmmmmmmmmmm?

same thing - although again - earlier that was called ignorant.

how is religious determination through either parent ignorant? many religions pass through one parent or the other.

for example...in the jewish religion if the mother is jewish the child is automatically jewish.

yes, i know - which brings me back to my point - how is it ignorant? that was the comment made.

Edited July 4, 2007 by lal_brandow