Bible-A Closer Look!

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like you didn't know! lol

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Are people allowed to leave Islam?

uhh, huh?

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i'm not an easily insulted person in general...but i'm insulted when people call it "reverting". muslims may believe that all people were born muslim, but no one else does!

people are not allowed to leave islam. its punishable by death! that alone is a pretty good reason not to convert to islam. good thing these people live in america and have religious freedom! good luck trying to convert from islam to another religion if you lived in a muslim country.

happy independence day!

####### kind of b.s. is this? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

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Why would anyone want to leave?

Jackie

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Why do people think Islam is any different than any other religion? I mean, there's no central caliphate the way there is with Christian groups, so who is keeping track of all these leavers so they can be punished by death?

It's not a crime to leave Islam in Morocco, a muslim country.

These ideas you have are preposterous, LS & abdoujen.

Edited July 4, 2007 by peezey

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i'm not an easily insulted person in general...but i'm insulted when people call it "reverting". muslims may believe that all people were born muslim, but no one else does!

people are not allowed to leave islam. its punishable by death! that alone is a pretty good reason not to convert to islam. good thing these people live in america and have religious freedom! good luck trying to convert from islam to another religion if you lived in a muslim country.

happy independence day!

wow. thanks for an honest answer.

Is it islam that people have a hard time leaving...what about the "mormon" group here in the good old usa not too long ago?? Intermarrying inside the church, if you left you were pretty much dead. There are things like this in all religions. We see it more maybe in islam but is that because it doesnt happen as much in other religions? Or just that it isnt as reported on?And yes thank God we do live in the usa where to some extent we have freedom of religion I couldnt have said it better myself.

Edited July 4, 2007 by chasnik

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Apostasy in Islam is commonly defined as the rejection of Islam in word or deed by a person who has been a Muslim.

All five major schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that a sane male apostate must be executed. A female apostate may be put to death, according to some schools, or imprisoned, according to others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

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Another source...

Why does Islam not allow apostasy? Apostasy or irtidãd in Islam is equal to treason.

... the irtidãd that we are discussing here involves open rejection, without any force and with full realization of what one's statements or actions imply. If a Muslim has a genuine doubt on an Islamic matter, that process of doubting does not automatically classify him as a murtad. As long as he is still in state of doubt, the punishment of irtidãd is suspended.[6] A murtad must fully realize the implications of his open rejection and what it means--casting doubt on the truth and honesty of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the Messenger of God.

The punishment prescribed by the shari`ah for apostasy is death.

Even the terms used by the shari`ah for apostates give the idea of treason to this whole phenomenon. "Murtad" means apostate. Murtad can be of two types: fitri and milli.

(1) "Murtad Fitri" means a person who is born of a Muslim parent and then he rejects Islam. "Fitrah" means creation. The term "murtad fitri" implies that the person has apostated from the faith in which he was born.

(2) "Murtad Milli" means a person who converted to Islam and then later on he rejects Islam. Milli is from millat which means religion. The term "murtad milli" implies that the person has apostated from his religion and the Muslim community.

In the first case, the apostasy is like the treason against God; whereas in the second case, the apostasy is like the treason against the Muslim community. Probably, that is why the Sh`iah jurisprudence deals with these two kinds of murtads differently:

· A former kãfir who became a Muslim and then apostates (murtad milli), he is given a second chance: if he repents, then he is not to be killed; but if he does not repent, then he is to be killed.

· But one who is born as a Muslim and then apostates (murtad fitri), he is to be killed even if he repents. It is important to understand that in case a murtad fitri repents, Allãh may accept his repentance and he may be forgiven in the hereafter, but he still has to go through the punishment prescribed for his treason in this world.[7]

This punishment is only applicable in case of apostasy by men; in case of women, the punishment is not death but life imprisonment. And if such a woman repents, then her repentance is accepted and the punishment is lifted.

In writings of some of the Sh`iah jurists, one gets the sense that the punishment of murtad is to be implemented only in dãru 'l-Islãm (i.e., the Muslim world), and that if the murtad flees to dãru 'l-kufr (i.e., the abode of kufr), then he is not to be pursued.[8]

http://www.al-islam.org/short/apostasy/

Edited July 4, 2007 by Gupt

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Why would anyone want to leave?

Jackie

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

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Why would anyone want to leave?

Jackie

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

If the punishment is death, who would? Good point

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Why would anyone want to leave?

Jackie

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

If the punishment is death, who would? Good point

The bible tells of this same nonsense, Gupt, but just like most Christians, most muslims are familiar with the concepts of historical context and allegory.

The bible says a thief should be sold into slavery if he cannot repay what he has stolen. Why aren't we afraid of Christianity? Because everyone knows the idea is preposterous.

In Christianity, denying Jesus is damnation and hellfire, and this is different than death?

Edited July 4, 2007 by peezey

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Show me one religion that isn't fukced up and preposterous. They all are. That's why it's so important to reveal the lies every time they are glorified and celebrated.

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Show me one religion that isn't fukced up and preposterous. They all are. That's why it's so important to reveal the lies every time they are glorified and celebrated.

And who is glorifying and celebrating the preposterous parts of religions here? It seems to me you and LS and abdoujen are the only people who are highlighting things regular every day religious people never think about, BECAUSE THEY ARE PREPOSTEROUS things to think about and have nothing to do with regular, everyday lives.

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Are people allowed to leave Islam?

uhh, huh?

Let me clarify the question...

Are people allowed to leave Islam?

Is that better?

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i'm not an easily insulted person in general...but i'm insulted when people call it "reverting". muslims may believe that all people were born muslim, but no one else does!

people are not allowed to leave islam. its punishable by death! that alone is a pretty good reason not to convert to islam. good thing these people live in america and have religious freedom! good luck trying to convert from islam to another religion if you lived in a muslim country.

happy independence day!

Since you are marrying a muslim and a muslim man's children are muslim, will you decide to become less ignorant of Islam prior to having children with him?