Report: Trump telling supporters he expects to be reinstated

[Dashinka 24,731]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I'm not so certain of that. It probably did contribute to his downfall, but no doubt something else would have come up. Why do you think he should have let Pence talk? Was there something wrong with him? 😉 And if there was something wrong with the things he said, you have to wonder how stable a person is who thinks and says these things.

The people that make these crazed arguments are 100% serious... and that's how these things start. Slowly at first, perhaps no one taking it serious could be a problem. A republic, if we can keep it.

Even if something else did not come up, the Left and the MSM would have made something up.

[moxy 1,051]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The people that make these crazed arguments are 100% serious... and that's how these things start. Slowly at first, perhaps no one taking it serious could be a problem. A republic, if we can keep it.

I'm sure there's a lot of eye-rolling when I say the Trumpist Republican Party is a threat to our very democracy, but never before have we had this level of active cultivation of insane conspiracy narratives at the highest levels of government, with so few Americans willing to hold them accountable.

[Dashinka 24,731]

Just now, moxy said:

I'm sure there's a lot of eye-rolling when I say the Trumpist Republican Party is a threat to our very democracy, but never before have we had this level of active cultivation of insane conspiracy narratives at the highest levels of government, with so few Americans willing to hold them accountable.

Yep, the end of our Democracy is at hand.  Maybe another Bernie assassin will visit some GOP members.

[moxy 1,051]

14 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

There's no Trump equivalent in the Democrat Party?  We get the same types of Twitter rants from many of the "leaders" (The squad, Chuckie, etc.) of that Party just like we got from Trump. 

Again, you may not like AOC's (or anyone else in "the squad's") politics, and that's fair game. But they're not fomenting insurrection or pushing conspiracy theories like some in the GOP are. This is what I'm talking about.

 

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There are plenty of sexual deviants in the Democrat Party as well (Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, etc.)  and several that love a good conspiracy (Swalwell and Schiff come to mind).  That is not to mention the racist/bigoted past and present of the Democrats.  The Democrats or more accurately, Bernie Sanders also had a very extreme follower that everyone likes to forget.   Whatever, justify it any way you want. 

I think you missed my point. I'm not defending the Democratic party. I'm saying that the GOP, the party of conservative values, has abandoned many of their core beliefs. The GOP has never done that, to the extent they have over the last 5 years. And for some reason, many Republican voters are ok with that. (and again... you don't like Bernie Sanders' [who is not a Democrat btw] politics, but don't conflate that with advancing conspiracy theories and supporting insurrections)

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Yep, the end of our Democracy is at hand.  Maybe another Bernie assassin will visit some GOP members.

No idea what a Bernie assassin is. But I did explain my thinking on why I believe the current incarnation of the GOP is a threat to democracy.

Edited June 3, 2021 by moxy

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, moxy said:

Again, you may not like AOC's (or anyone else in "the squad's") politics, and that's fair game. But they're not fomenting insurrection or pushing conspiracy theories like some in the GOP are. This is what I'm talking about.

 

I think you missed my point. I'm not defending the Democratic party. I'm saying that the GOP, the party of conservative values, has abandoned many of their core beliefs. The GOP has never done that, to the extent they have over the last 5 years. And for some reason, many Republican voters are ok with that. (and again... you don't like Bernie Sanders' [who is not a Democrat btw] politics, but don't conflate that with advancing conspiracy theories and supporting iinsurrection.

Oh you mean like Russia and Ukraine gates? There are still people to this day that still believe those loony ideas. 

 

You are wrong because many Republicans are holding true to the actual values of the party. We are not selling out the people or the country. 

[moxy 1,051]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

You are wrong because many Republicans are holding true to the actual values of the party. We are not selling out the people or the country. 

I'm happy there are Republicans holding true to actual values. They need to hold fellow Republicans who are not holding true to actual values accountable. I'm not seeing a lot of that beyond, say, Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and maybe a few others.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 hours ago, moxy said:

I'm happy there are Republicans holding true to actual values. They need to hold fellow Republicans who are not holding true to actual values accountable. I'm not seeing a lot of that beyond, say, Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and maybe a few others.

If you think the base of the Republican party are those two people then you are pretty disillusioned. 

[moxy 1,051]

22 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

If you think the base of the Republican party are those two people then you are pretty disillusioned. 

Don't know why you need to be so salty towards me. Everyone else has been able to discuss this topic today courteously. No, of course those two people aren't the base. But they have a lot of pull and a lot of support with the base.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

Hoping Trump runs again in 3.something years, even Hillary would beat him.

[moxy 1,051]

1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

Hoping Trump runs again in 3.something years, even Hillary would beat him.

I don't. I just really want him to be gone. Him running again means the same people who attempted an insurrection on the capital, and those who supported (and continue to support) it will be energized. I hope the GOP can find an actual Republican to run. And then I hope they lose.

 

[TBoneTX 45,914]

This is, I think, a circumspect analysis of the Haberman claim:

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/06/03/the-frenzy-surrounding-the-trump-reinstatement-claim-shows-no-lessons-have-been-learned-n390919

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

1 hour ago, moxy said:

I don't. I just really want him to be gone. Him running again means the same people who attempted an insurrection on the capital, and those who supported (and continue to support) it will be energized. I hope the GOP can find an actual Republican to run. And then I hope they lose.

 

As opposed to the "mostly peaceful protests" that plagued our nation last year?

 

Lest ye have forgotten, no one was killed on 6 Jan except one Air Force veteran by Pence's SS detail.  Of the thousands who went to DC on that date, not one was armed, and no one was killed.  Not one business destroyed.

 

But here are some images of what "non-insurrectionists" did in 2020:

 

 

 

https://oregoncatalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/chart-arsnriotspdx.jpg  

 

https://americanlookout.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Bible-Burning-Portland.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, moxy said:

I don't. I just really want him to be gone. Him running again means the same people who attempted an insurrection on the capital, and those who supported (and continue to support) it will be energized. I hope the GOP can find an actual Republican to run. And then I hope they lose.

 

The Republicans are so messed up, who knows what is going to happen. My guess is,   Hawley, Cruz and DeSantis slug it out for Crypto-Trump mantel bearer. 

I wouldn't  care but we have a system built around two parties. and Republicans can't decide what they want to do.

Edited June 4, 2021 by CanAm1980

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

4 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

As opposed to the "mostly peaceful protests" that plagued our nation last year?

 

Lest ye have forgotten, no one was killed on 6 Jan except one Air Force veteran by Pence's SS detail.  Of the thousands who went to DC on that date, not one was armed, and no one was killed.  Not one business destroyed.

 

But here are some images of what "non-insurrectionists" did in 2020:

 

 

 

https://oregoncatalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/chart-arsnriotspdx.jpg  

 

https://americanlookout.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Bible-Burning-Portland.jpg

 

 

 

 

There were multiple deaths that day and 167 injured Capitol police. Molotov cocktails were seized. "Protestors" were armed with bear spray and used our nation's flag in an attempt to murder a police officer. Two pipe bombs were placed outside of party headquarters that would have killed or maimed dozens. 

 

 Pioneer Square in Portland is not the heart of our democracy, the Capitol building is and Trump partisans assaulted our nation. 

[moxy 1,051]

6 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

As opposed to the "mostly peaceful protests" that plagued our nation last year?

 

Lest ye have forgotten, no one was killed on 6 Jan except one Air Force veteran by Pence's SS detail. 

How many people would have to have been killed for the "except" to actually matter?

 

Actually five people died during the capitol insurrection. Brian Sicknick, a Capitol police officer. Ashli Babbit, an insurrectionist. Kevin Greeson, a would-be insurrectionist. Rosanne Boyland, an insurrectionist. Benjamin Philips, an insurrectionist.

 

Despite most of these people being insurrectionists, I don't dismiss their deaths so easily. Whatever their politics, their deaths matter to me, and they should matter to all of us. Trump supporters dismissing the death of a capitol police officer so easily tells me that respecting law enforcement is just another Republican value that's gone by the wayside, except for political expediency.

 

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Of the thousands who went to DC on that date, not one was armed, and no one was killed.  Not one business destroyed.

 

Where are you getting this? Five people died, I just named them. Some actually were armed. Federal court records indicate that at least 36 people had a weapon of some sort. Some capitol hill officers were attacked with fire extinguishers and flag poles used as spears. No businesses were destroyed, but the capitol building suffered $30 million in damages.