Incorrect Marriage date in Nikahanama

[atif_entomologist 1]

I have question about Marriage Certificate of my parents like the situation is following as

Parent's Marriage Registration date on Nikahnama:  03-0ct-1977

                                                                      Groom Age: 20 Year

                                                                      Bride Age: 18 Year                                       

                                     

English Marriage Certificate: 03-0ct-1977

                                                                  Groom Age: 23-Nov-1959

                                                                     Bride Age: 08-Jun-1964      

 

[Mike E 11,740]

If your question is: is their an error, then answer is there is at least one error as the implied difference in ages between the groom and bride are inconsistent.  
 

Also there is an implication your mother was 13 years old when she married.  Was that age legal where she lived at the time?
 

 Assuming you are petitioning your father for an immigration benefit or your father is petitioning you, you can assume USCIS, NVC, or the embassy will reject the petition. 

Edited May 28, 2021 by Mike E

[payxibka 10,045]

9 minutes ago, Mike E said:

 you can assume USCIS, NVC, or the embassy will reject the petition. 

But on what basis and to what harm? 

 

 

[Mike E 11,740]

6 minutes ago, payxibka said:

But on what basis and to what harm? 

 

 

On the basis that there reasonable doubt as to whether OP was born in wedlock.  
 

In which case the petition will have to proceed on the basis OP was born out of wedlock.  It isn’t insurmountable but it requires more than a dubious set of marriage documents.  

[payxibka 10,045]

1 minute ago, Mike E said:

On the basis that there reasonable doubt as to whether OP was born in wedlock.  
 

In which case the petition will have to proceed on the basis OP was born out of wedlock.  It isn’t insurmountable but it requires more than a dubious set of marriage documents.  

Where does wedlock play in this scenario?  

[Mike E 11,740]

3 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Where does wedlock play in this scenario?  

Covered at length in 

 among other innumerable places.  

[payxibka 10,045]

4 hours ago, atif_entomologist said:

I have question about Marriage Certificate of my parents like the situation is following as

Parent's Marriage Registration date on Nikahnama:  03-0ct-1977

                                                                      Groom Age: 20 Year

                                                                      Bride Age: 18 Year                                       

                                     

English Marriage Certificate: 03-0ct-1977

                                                                  Groom Age: 23-Nov-1959

                                                                     Bride Age: 08-Jun-1964      

 

Is the English version a translation of tbe Nika?  If so,  get it retranslated.   The translation needs to be word for word of tbe original 

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

43 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Covered at length in 

 among other innumerable places.  

You’ve assumed the petition  is OP and father, I do not see OP saying that here. Would be nice if OP would clarify who is petitioning who.

[Mike E 11,740]

I presented two scenarios where wedlock affects petition and the evidence.  I gave a reference to the example for when petitioner is a US citizen and the Benedict is the father.  It’s pretty simple to find the VJ guide for the converse situation and again it mentions wedlock.  
 

I cannot imagine USCIS or State accepting these documents for any other scenario, such as a US citizen petitioning a spouse.  One document or both have at least one error.  But logic games are boring and I will get back to bending my elbow as Covid consumes the island paradise I happen to find myself.  

[atif_entomologist 1]

It would be really appreciated if someone can give valuable advise and suggestions for parents immigration issue? 
I have question about Marriage Certificate of my parents like the situation is following as
Parent's Marriage Registration date on Nikahnama:  03-0ct-1977
                                                                      Groom Age: 20 Year
                                                                         Bride Age: 18 Year                                     
TMA Marriage Certificate is same like Nikhanama
         English Marriage Certificate (Notary Public): 03-0ct-1977
We mentioned in English Marriage Certificate Groom Age : 23-Nov-1959
                                                                                      Bride Age: 08-Jun-1964      
                                                According to CNIC Groom Age : 17 years 10 months 10 days
                                                                                                      Bride Age :   13 years 3 months 25 days
I have visited  NVC website and they did't mentioned the age limit for marriage so, i don't know why Government put the age limit in the system.
The Nikhanama is tear into small pieces because of the poor paper quality so, now if we show scanned copy and also bring the tear pieces of nikahnama at the time of interview.  
At first, we only submit English Marriage Certificate, NVC rejected it and mention Pakistan required 2 marriage documents then we submit Nikhanama copy  and NVC again rejected and mentioned Pakistan require 3 marriage documents now i want to know if NVC rejected any documents then we can made change in that documents without any explanation note as it's rejected by NVC mentioned to replace with the new required documents? 
For Example, if we have submitted English certificate and nikhanama  including marriage date is 1977 but it was rejected by NVC so, now we can revised the marriage date from 1977 to 1980 without any explanation letter?
We have talked to the UC secretory  to correct it but he said Pakistan Computer system can't allow to get online marriage certificate because of the age limit issue.

Edited May 29, 2021 by atif_entomologist
miss some part

[Penguin_ie 5,994]

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[pm5k 129]

On 5/29/2021 at 4:24 AM, atif_entomologist said:

It would be really appreciated if someone can give valuable advise and suggestions for parents immigration issue? 
I have question about Marriage Certificate of my parents like the situation is following as
Parent's Marriage Registration date on Nikahnama:  03-0ct-1977
                                                                      Groom Age: 20 Year
                                                                         Bride Age: 18 Year                                     
TMA Marriage Certificate is same like Nikhanama
         English Marriage Certificate (Notary Public): 03-0ct-1977
We mentioned in English Marriage Certificate Groom Age : 23-Nov-1959
                                                                                      Bride Age: 08-Jun-1964      
                                                According to CNIC Groom Age : 17 years 10 months 10 days
                                                                                                      Bride Age :   13 years 3 months 25 days
I have visited  NVC website and they did't mentioned the age limit for marriage so, i don't know why Government put the age limit in the system.
The Nikhanama is tear into small pieces because of the poor paper quality so, now if we show scanned copy and also bring the tear pieces of nikahnama at the time of interview.  
At first, we only submit English Marriage Certificate, NVC rejected it and mention Pakistan required 2 marriage documents then we submit Nikhanama copy  and NVC again rejected and mentioned Pakistan require 3 marriage documents now i want to know if NVC rejected any documents then we can made change in that documents without any explanation note as it's rejected by NVC mentioned to replace with the new required documents? 
For Example, if we have submitted English certificate and nikhanama  including marriage date is 1977 but it was rejected by NVC so, now we can revised the marriage date from 1977 to 1980 without any explanation letter?
We have talked to the UC secretory  to correct it but he said Pakistan Computer system can't allow to get online marriage certificate because of the age limit issue.

1. What does the Urdu Nikah Nama say?

2. Was your mother actually 13 when she got married, or is this an estimate?  If so, this may be an issue since the minimum age of marriage in Pakistan is currently 16.  Even the previous marriage laws did not allow marriage at the age of 13. 

3. What was the actual marriage date?

[atif_entomologist 1]

10 hours ago, pm5k said:

1. What does the Urdu Nikah Nama say?

2. Was your mother actually 13 when she got married, or is this an estimate?  If so, this may be an issue since the minimum age of marriage in Pakistan is currently 16.  Even the previous marriage laws did not allow marriage at the age of 13. 

3. What was the actual marriage date?

Actual marriage date is 3-10-1977 they wrote just estimated because at that time there was no ID card so they write for mother 18 and for father 20 but according to id card is 13

[pm5k 129]

3 hours ago, atif_entomologist said:

Actual marriage date is 3-10-1977 they wrote just estimated because at that time there was no ID card so they write for mother 18 and for father 20 but according to id card is 13

Pakistani ID cards did exist in 1977 (the first ID cards were issued in the 1970s).  It is, however, possible that your parents did not have them at that time. 

 

So they wrote 20 for your father, and 18 for your mother on the Nikah Nama.  The english translation should not have dates, they should just translate the document as it is. 

 

You mention that your mother's DOB and Father's DOB on their CNICs is different than the DOB on the Nikah Nama.

What was the basis for the CNIC dates of birth? 

Is it based on Matric certificates?  Do your parents have educational certificates, matric, school leaving certificates, etc? 

Was your mother actually 13, and father actually 17 at the time of marriage? 

 

Since you are not able to get a Marriage Certificate generated, you should submit a letter with the Urdu Nikah Nama and English translation stating that the Marriage Certificate was not required at the time of their marriage (1977) and that the UC is unable to generate one for you.  If your UC can provide you with a letter stating that the system is not letting them generate a marriage certificate, then that may help also.

 

 

[atif_entomologist 1]

21 hours ago, pm5k said:

Pakistani ID cards did exist in 1977 (the first ID cards were issued in the 1970s).  It is, however, possible that your parents did not have them at that time. 

 

So they wrote 20 for your father, and 18 for your mother on the Nikah Nama.  The english translation should not have dates, they should just translate the document as it is. 

 

You mention that your mother's DOB and Father's DOB on their CNICs is different than the DOB on the Nikah Nama.

What was the basis for the CNIC dates of birth? 

Is it based on Matric certificates?  Do your parents have educational certificates, matric, school leaving certificates, etc? 

Was your mother actually 13, and father actually 17 at the time of marriage? 

 

Since you are not able to get a Marriage Certificate generated, you should submit a letter with the Urdu Nikah Nama and English translation stating that the Marriage Certificate was not required at the time of their marriage (1977) and that the UC is unable to generate one for you.  If your UC can provide you with a letter stating that the system is not letting them generate a marriage certificate, then that may help also.

 

 

 

21 hours ago, pm5k said:

Pakistani ID cards did exist in 1977 (the first ID cards were issued in the 1970s).  It is, however, possible that your parents did not have them at that time. 

 

So they wrote 20 for your father, and 18 for your mother on the Nikah Nama.  The english translation should not have dates, they should just translate the document as it is. 

 

You mention that your mother's DOB and Father's DOB on their CNICs is different than the DOB on the Nikah Nama.

What was the basis for the CNIC dates of birth? 

Is it based on Matric certificates?  Do your parents have educational certificates, matric, school leaving certificates, etc? 

Was your mother actually 13, and father actually 17 at the time of marriage? 

 

Since you are not able to get a Marriage Certificate generated, you should submit a letter with the Urdu Nikah Nama and English translation stating that the Marriage Certificate was not required at the time of their marriage (1977) and that the UC is unable to generate one for you.  If your UC can provide you with a letter stating that the system is not letting them generate a marriage certificate, then that may help also.

 

Thank you dear